Jews were as barbaric as any other religion in ancient times. They wandered into Palestine and set up camp about 3000 years ago. The Egyptians made a note when a tribe called Judah arrived. Colonists then as now. To be fair, in the times everyone was doing the same thing. The invasion of 1947/48 and the colonial State of Israel happened when everyone was not doing the same thing.
I always say the Jews of the late 19th/early 20th century were a bit late to the game of colonialism and are upset that contemporary folk don’t afford them the same barbarity of previous eras. They decided to colonise when colonialism was out of fashion & universal human rights started to become all the rage (ironically, in large part, because of their suffering). In other words, they have desperately been trying to have their cake and eat it since 1948..
Well said. Since we have thousands of years of historical records and images for Palestinians in Palestine, and we know Israel was invented in Palestine nearly 80 years ago, logic decrees that Israel sits in the land of Palestine and everything Israelis say is theirs actually belongs to Palestinians. It has all been stolen.
We also know that since 530 Palestinian towns and villages were wiped from the face of the earth by Zionist forces in 47/48 that logically, a lot of Palestinians were exterminated or expelled. Israel has built and planted over the ruins but we know where they are because they remain marked on British mandate maps and even more ancient maps of Palestine.
Colonisation was no doubt a critical part of human evolution for thousands of years. It diminished as humans evolved. By the time the Zionists were making their plans to colonise Palestine they had missed the use-by date for such actions by more than a century.
Colonialism was not so much out of fashion as not required and deemed to be unjust. The Zionists were racists and atheists and have never represented Judaism, just exploited it and too many equally racist and gullible Jews.
The reality is that if the Israelis had been smart and not racists they would have done what all other nations founded through colonisation and calling themselves Western democracies have done and that is one state where the native people share the land as equal citizens with the colonists. They did not do that because their racism was entrenched and they really did and do believe non-Jews are inferior and Palestinian non-Jews, are subhuman.
Since Zionism is a half a century older than Nazism we can only wonder who got Untermenschen from whom.
If Zionists, Israelis and too many Jews did not have this rabid and racist belief in the subhuman nature of the Palestinians, they could have created a vibrant State and a healthy democracy. The Palestinians have a long history of sophistication, civilisation and respect for education and culture. The combination of the groups would have been inspiring.
But that did not happen and Israel as it was formed and as it has functioned is a taint on the modern world and an open wound for Judaism. It must be dismantled. Israelis and their supporters are too brainwashed in hate, bigotry, fear and irrational rage to ever be able to live alongside the Palestinians. There would be some exceptions but they are few. Most will have to go back to where they, their parents or grandparents came from.
Many already have with young Israelis doing exactly that in recent decades and one of the largest communities is in Berlin. They feel safer in Germany than Israel all of which validates the reality that an Israel for Jews as refuge was never needed and certainly is not needed now.
It needs to be remembered that colonial States can be dismantled after centuries. The Portugese went back after 500 years in Angola so 76 years of European colonists in Palestine, is, by comparison, nothing but a blink of time's eye.
Well said, Roslyn. Zionism is a uniquely ultra racist ideology that has spawned a state that has almost zero viability. The only other comparable ideology is nazism and we all know how well that went..
We struggle to get the facts and the truth from events of the last 100 or even 20 years. Lets not cite alledged events that happened even before the invention of the printing press. 614 AD was back when everyone was slaughtering everyone, before anger management was invented.
If you want something a little more reliable to accuse Israelis of, in their treatment of Christians, search Youtube for Israelis spitting on Christians including Nuns and barring prelates from practicing their faith and carrying out church business .... all within the last couple years and captured on video.
Before the printing press there was papyrus and writings carved in stone. We know a lot more about such times than you think. It is because of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs we know Palestine and Palestinians have existed for more than 5000 years and they invaded Egypt more than once.
So you believe the archivists of the past 1500 years kept their papyrus and fought to the death any Pope or King or politician from messing with it or getting access to the time activated vault it was stored in ? What was stopping a jew, sitting on a rock, from scratching "It never happened. I was there" on a stone and putting it in a cave ? If you walked into a court today with your evidence, what do you think the judge would have to say, if they even let you see one ? There is not a whimper of a prayer of these events being awarded any credibility and that is not to say it didn't happen. Maybe they killed 100,000. Nobody would know for sure but lots will claim confidence in their numbers for no credible reason.
I agree that the printing press made more information and data available but that too was prone to rewrites and tampering. And ancient writings ranged from the largely daily banalities of lists and wishes, for good and ill, to the claimed conquests of Kings.
I merely make the point that there was information available from ancient times prior to the invention of the printing press. Hieroglyphs and Cuneiform go back thousands of years and when transcribed, as the Rosetta Stone made possible for the former, are invaluable.
As to credibility, that is where the gathering of historical data to support the claims is so important. Yes, much of archaeology is conjecture and supposition but there are also facts available to make a case.
But in essence I agree with you that what matters is the contemporary evidence for savagery by the Israelis.
Get your terms right. Palestine was a rename given by the Romans to Israel after the destruction of the Second Temple. It alludes to the Philistines who colonised Gaza in ancient times. I am not sure that Philistines ever invaded Egypt, or even Israel for that matter. Egypt invaded both areas.
Since we have clear evidence that the words Palestine and Palestinians were written down by the Egyptians more than 5000 years ago, carved in stone, we know that Palestine was not a name given by the Romans who did not even exist until thousands of years after the Palestinians were being talked about in Egypt.
Same for the Philistines, a people who did not exist until thousands of years after the Palestinians and Palestine were mentioned.
Yes Egypt invaded both areas and the Palestinians invaded Egypt more than once. I suggest you study Egyptology and get the facts.
The Philistine/Roman blather is Zio propaganda trying to prove that Palestine was invented later. It was not and it is ridiculous to claim that it was.
And as an aside for the Bible worshippers, the story of the Jews fleeing Egypt is yet another lie, as is the story they were slaves. The Egyptians never mentioned them and no the Habiru theory does not cut it, and when the Jews were supposedly fleeing to Palestine/Canaan it was an Egyptian colony so they would have been fleeing Egypt into Egypt.
Jews slaughtered upwards of 50K Christian at the Mamilla Pool in 614 AD until the Persians finally stopped them.
Jews were as barbaric as any other religion in ancient times. They wandered into Palestine and set up camp about 3000 years ago. The Egyptians made a note when a tribe called Judah arrived. Colonists then as now. To be fair, in the times everyone was doing the same thing. The invasion of 1947/48 and the colonial State of Israel happened when everyone was not doing the same thing.
I always say the Jews of the late 19th/early 20th century were a bit late to the game of colonialism and are upset that contemporary folk don’t afford them the same barbarity of previous eras. They decided to colonise when colonialism was out of fashion & universal human rights started to become all the rage (ironically, in large part, because of their suffering). In other words, they have desperately been trying to have their cake and eat it since 1948..
Well said. Since we have thousands of years of historical records and images for Palestinians in Palestine, and we know Israel was invented in Palestine nearly 80 years ago, logic decrees that Israel sits in the land of Palestine and everything Israelis say is theirs actually belongs to Palestinians. It has all been stolen.
We also know that since 530 Palestinian towns and villages were wiped from the face of the earth by Zionist forces in 47/48 that logically, a lot of Palestinians were exterminated or expelled. Israel has built and planted over the ruins but we know where they are because they remain marked on British mandate maps and even more ancient maps of Palestine.
I did reply previously and it disappeared.
Colonisation was no doubt a critical part of human evolution for thousands of years. It diminished as humans evolved. By the time the Zionists were making their plans to colonise Palestine they had missed the use-by date for such actions by more than a century.
Colonialism was not so much out of fashion as not required and deemed to be unjust. The Zionists were racists and atheists and have never represented Judaism, just exploited it and too many equally racist and gullible Jews.
The reality is that if the Israelis had been smart and not racists they would have done what all other nations founded through colonisation and calling themselves Western democracies have done and that is one state where the native people share the land as equal citizens with the colonists. They did not do that because their racism was entrenched and they really did and do believe non-Jews are inferior and Palestinian non-Jews, are subhuman.
Since Zionism is a half a century older than Nazism we can only wonder who got Untermenschen from whom.
If Zionists, Israelis and too many Jews did not have this rabid and racist belief in the subhuman nature of the Palestinians, they could have created a vibrant State and a healthy democracy. The Palestinians have a long history of sophistication, civilisation and respect for education and culture. The combination of the groups would have been inspiring.
But that did not happen and Israel as it was formed and as it has functioned is a taint on the modern world and an open wound for Judaism. It must be dismantled. Israelis and their supporters are too brainwashed in hate, bigotry, fear and irrational rage to ever be able to live alongside the Palestinians. There would be some exceptions but they are few. Most will have to go back to where they, their parents or grandparents came from.
Many already have with young Israelis doing exactly that in recent decades and one of the largest communities is in Berlin. They feel safer in Germany than Israel all of which validates the reality that an Israel for Jews as refuge was never needed and certainly is not needed now.
It needs to be remembered that colonial States can be dismantled after centuries. The Portugese went back after 500 years in Angola so 76 years of European colonists in Palestine, is, by comparison, nothing but a blink of time's eye.
Well said, Roslyn. Zionism is a uniquely ultra racist ideology that has spawned a state that has almost zero viability. The only other comparable ideology is nazism and we all know how well that went..
Since Zionism predated Nazism by nearly four decades and they have much in common, one wonders who got what from whom?
We struggle to get the facts and the truth from events of the last 100 or even 20 years. Lets not cite alledged events that happened even before the invention of the printing press. 614 AD was back when everyone was slaughtering everyone, before anger management was invented.
If you want something a little more reliable to accuse Israelis of, in their treatment of Christians, search Youtube for Israelis spitting on Christians including Nuns and barring prelates from practicing their faith and carrying out church business .... all within the last couple years and captured on video.
Before the printing press there was papyrus and writings carved in stone. We know a lot more about such times than you think. It is because of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs we know Palestine and Palestinians have existed for more than 5000 years and they invaded Egypt more than once.
So you believe the archivists of the past 1500 years kept their papyrus and fought to the death any Pope or King or politician from messing with it or getting access to the time activated vault it was stored in ? What was stopping a jew, sitting on a rock, from scratching "It never happened. I was there" on a stone and putting it in a cave ? If you walked into a court today with your evidence, what do you think the judge would have to say, if they even let you see one ? There is not a whimper of a prayer of these events being awarded any credibility and that is not to say it didn't happen. Maybe they killed 100,000. Nobody would know for sure but lots will claim confidence in their numbers for no credible reason.
I agree that the printing press made more information and data available but that too was prone to rewrites and tampering. And ancient writings ranged from the largely daily banalities of lists and wishes, for good and ill, to the claimed conquests of Kings.
I merely make the point that there was information available from ancient times prior to the invention of the printing press. Hieroglyphs and Cuneiform go back thousands of years and when transcribed, as the Rosetta Stone made possible for the former, are invaluable.
As to credibility, that is where the gathering of historical data to support the claims is so important. Yes, much of archaeology is conjecture and supposition but there are also facts available to make a case.
But in essence I agree with you that what matters is the contemporary evidence for savagery by the Israelis.
Get your terms right. Palestine was a rename given by the Romans to Israel after the destruction of the Second Temple. It alludes to the Philistines who colonised Gaza in ancient times. I am not sure that Philistines ever invaded Egypt, or even Israel for that matter. Egypt invaded both areas.
Since we have clear evidence that the words Palestine and Palestinians were written down by the Egyptians more than 5000 years ago, carved in stone, we know that Palestine was not a name given by the Romans who did not even exist until thousands of years after the Palestinians were being talked about in Egypt.
Same for the Philistines, a people who did not exist until thousands of years after the Palestinians and Palestine were mentioned.
Yes Egypt invaded both areas and the Palestinians invaded Egypt more than once. I suggest you study Egyptology and get the facts.
The Philistine/Roman blather is Zio propaganda trying to prove that Palestine was invented later. It was not and it is ridiculous to claim that it was.
And as an aside for the Bible worshippers, the story of the Jews fleeing Egypt is yet another lie, as is the story they were slaves. The Egyptians never mentioned them and no the Habiru theory does not cut it, and when the Jews were supposedly fleeing to Palestine/Canaan it was an Egyptian colony so they would have been fleeing Egypt into Egypt.
https://www.jpost.com/local-israel/in-jerusalem/massacre-at-mamilla
Never heard of that event.