Jews were as barbaric as any other religion in ancient times. They wandered into Palestine and set up camp about 3000 years ago. The Egyptians made a note when a tribe called Judah arrived. Colonists then as now. To be fair, in the times everyone was doing the same thing. The invasion of 1947/48 and the colonial State of Israel happened when everyone was not doing the same thing.
Jews were as barbaric as any other religion in ancient times. They wandered into Palestine and set up camp about 3000 years ago. The Egyptians made a note when a tribe called Judah arrived. Colonists then as now. To be fair, in the times everyone was doing the same thing. The invasion of 1947/48 and the colonial State of Israel happened when everyone was not doing the same thing.
I always say the Jews of the late 19th/early 20th century were a bit late to the game of colonialism and are upset that contemporary folk don’t afford them the same barbarity of previous eras. They decided to colonise when colonialism was out of fashion & universal human rights started to become all the rage (ironically, in large part, because of their suffering). In other words, they have desperately been trying to have their cake and eat it since 1948..
Well said. Since we have thousands of years of historical records and images for Palestinians in Palestine, and we know Israel was invented in Palestine nearly 80 years ago, logic decrees that Israel sits in the land of Palestine and everything Israelis say is theirs actually belongs to Palestinians. It has all been stolen.
We also know that since 530 Palestinian towns and villages were wiped from the face of the earth by Zionist forces in 47/48 that logically, a lot of Palestinians were exterminated or expelled. Israel has built and planted over the ruins but we know where they are because they remain marked on British mandate maps and even more ancient maps of Palestine.
Colonisation was no doubt a critical part of human evolution for thousands of years. It diminished as humans evolved. By the time the Zionists were making their plans to colonise Palestine they had missed the use-by date for such actions by more than a century.
Colonialism was not so much out of fashion as not required and deemed to be unjust. The Zionists were racists and atheists and have never represented Judaism, just exploited it and too many equally racist and gullible Jews.
The reality is that if the Israelis had been smart and not racists they would have done what all other nations founded through colonisation and calling themselves Western democracies have done and that is one state where the native people share the land as equal citizens with the colonists. They did not do that because their racism was entrenched and they really did and do believe non-Jews are inferior and Palestinian non-Jews, are subhuman.
Since Zionism is a half a century older than Nazism we can only wonder who got Untermenschen from whom.
If Zionists, Israelis and too many Jews did not have this rabid and racist belief in the subhuman nature of the Palestinians, they could have created a vibrant State and a healthy democracy. The Palestinians have a long history of sophistication, civilisation and respect for education and culture. The combination of the groups would have been inspiring.
But that did not happen and Israel as it was formed and as it has functioned is a taint on the modern world and an open wound for Judaism. It must be dismantled. Israelis and their supporters are too brainwashed in hate, bigotry, fear and irrational rage to ever be able to live alongside the Palestinians. There would be some exceptions but they are few. Most will have to go back to where they, their parents or grandparents came from.
Many already have with young Israelis doing exactly that in recent decades and one of the largest communities is in Berlin. They feel safer in Germany than Israel all of which validates the reality that an Israel for Jews as refuge was never needed and certainly is not needed now.
It needs to be remembered that colonial States can be dismantled after centuries. The Portugese went back after 500 years in Angola so 76 years of European colonists in Palestine, is, by comparison, nothing but a blink of time's eye.
Well said, Roslyn. Zionism is a uniquely ultra racist ideology that has spawned a state that has almost zero viability. The only other comparable ideology is nazism and we all know how well that went..
Jews were as barbaric as any other religion in ancient times. They wandered into Palestine and set up camp about 3000 years ago. The Egyptians made a note when a tribe called Judah arrived. Colonists then as now. To be fair, in the times everyone was doing the same thing. The invasion of 1947/48 and the colonial State of Israel happened when everyone was not doing the same thing.
I always say the Jews of the late 19th/early 20th century were a bit late to the game of colonialism and are upset that contemporary folk don’t afford them the same barbarity of previous eras. They decided to colonise when colonialism was out of fashion & universal human rights started to become all the rage (ironically, in large part, because of their suffering). In other words, they have desperately been trying to have their cake and eat it since 1948..
Well said. Since we have thousands of years of historical records and images for Palestinians in Palestine, and we know Israel was invented in Palestine nearly 80 years ago, logic decrees that Israel sits in the land of Palestine and everything Israelis say is theirs actually belongs to Palestinians. It has all been stolen.
We also know that since 530 Palestinian towns and villages were wiped from the face of the earth by Zionist forces in 47/48 that logically, a lot of Palestinians were exterminated or expelled. Israel has built and planted over the ruins but we know where they are because they remain marked on British mandate maps and even more ancient maps of Palestine.
I did reply previously and it disappeared.
Colonisation was no doubt a critical part of human evolution for thousands of years. It diminished as humans evolved. By the time the Zionists were making their plans to colonise Palestine they had missed the use-by date for such actions by more than a century.
Colonialism was not so much out of fashion as not required and deemed to be unjust. The Zionists were racists and atheists and have never represented Judaism, just exploited it and too many equally racist and gullible Jews.
The reality is that if the Israelis had been smart and not racists they would have done what all other nations founded through colonisation and calling themselves Western democracies have done and that is one state where the native people share the land as equal citizens with the colonists. They did not do that because their racism was entrenched and they really did and do believe non-Jews are inferior and Palestinian non-Jews, are subhuman.
Since Zionism is a half a century older than Nazism we can only wonder who got Untermenschen from whom.
If Zionists, Israelis and too many Jews did not have this rabid and racist belief in the subhuman nature of the Palestinians, they could have created a vibrant State and a healthy democracy. The Palestinians have a long history of sophistication, civilisation and respect for education and culture. The combination of the groups would have been inspiring.
But that did not happen and Israel as it was formed and as it has functioned is a taint on the modern world and an open wound for Judaism. It must be dismantled. Israelis and their supporters are too brainwashed in hate, bigotry, fear and irrational rage to ever be able to live alongside the Palestinians. There would be some exceptions but they are few. Most will have to go back to where they, their parents or grandparents came from.
Many already have with young Israelis doing exactly that in recent decades and one of the largest communities is in Berlin. They feel safer in Germany than Israel all of which validates the reality that an Israel for Jews as refuge was never needed and certainly is not needed now.
It needs to be remembered that colonial States can be dismantled after centuries. The Portugese went back after 500 years in Angola so 76 years of European colonists in Palestine, is, by comparison, nothing but a blink of time's eye.
Well said, Roslyn. Zionism is a uniquely ultra racist ideology that has spawned a state that has almost zero viability. The only other comparable ideology is nazism and we all know how well that went..
Since Zionism predated Nazism by nearly four decades and they have much in common, one wonders who got what from whom?