How long are you going to repeat the lies of the West? It’s really getting old. It’s also a matter of record that Muslims,Jews and Christians all got along before the Zionists came and stole land that didn’t belong to them. These religious groups all lived pretty much in peace before the Zionist influence. You spout stuff with no evidenc…
How long are you going to repeat the lies of the West? It’s really getting old. It’s also a matter of record that Muslims,Jews and Christians all got along before the Zionists came and stole land that didn’t belong to them. These religious groups all lived pretty much in peace before the Zionist influence. You spout stuff with no evidence. It’s not about Judaism. It’s about Zionism. You don’t even have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. This movement started way before the Holocaust. Please quit lying. Most Jews want nothing to do with Zionism. Listen to Holocaust survivors who have come out against Israel and people like Miko Peled who is a former IOF member and lived in Israel and whose father was a strong Zionist, but he chose to become an activist for a free Palestine. He is Israeli and Jewish, btw.
I try hard to tell the truth as I understand it to be. If I say something that can be proven to be categorically untrue I will apologise and not repeat it. Muslims, Jews and Christians did get along pretty well as long as the Christians and Jews knew their place as second class, paid their taxes and were useful. It didn’t always prevent the occasional massacre. As for stealing the land you should choose your words more carefully. Zionists bought the land with hard cash from Arab landowners. No land was stolen from individual Arabs. When independence was declared in 1948 properties vacated by Arabs were taken over and occupied (stolen if you like) by opportunist Jews but their actions were analogous to similar events in Arab countries which ethnically cleansed their Jewish populations and appropriated their assets without compensation. I know two wrongs don’t make a right but ‘Palestine’ prior to the arrival of Zionists had indigenous Jews as well as Arabs and the Jews hadn’t colonised it, the Arabs had.
Another Zio lie. Yes Zionists bought some land in Palestine through bullying, bribery and dishonesty but the amount was truly trivial. None of it gave them the right to take the whole country.
By your criteria because Jews own land in the US they can invade, occupy, set up their own State (well they have in a way) and treat Americans as they treat Palestinians.
SAME MISTAKE - remember, apples with apples. You cannot compare Jews, a religion, with Arabs a culture.
And let us not fib or actively lie. Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years and it belongs to the Palestinian people, regardless of their religion. Palestine does not belong to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus or any other religion. It belongs to Palestinians and it will be free.
Two wrongs do not make a right and there is something truly evil about Jews doing to Christians and Muslims in Palestine what was done to many European Jews during WWII. And doing it for nearly 80 years not four or five. It is horrifying that Israeli Zio-Jewish culture teaches their children the concept of Untermenschen, that non-Jews are inferior and Palestinian non-Jews are not even human and can be crushed like insects. Just a nuisance that there is so much blood and not just some icky white goo.
Re land purchase by bullying, bribery and dishonesty, where is your evidence for this claim?
Re the right to take the whole country, I refer you to this extract
“In international law, there is a principle in international law referred to as Uti Possidetus Juris, literally translating to “as you possess,” a Roman legal doctrine first cited in private municipal law.
Uti Possidetus Juris maintains that when a new country is created where there was not a separate country previously, the borders of the new country are identical to the borders of the last top-level geopolitical entity in that territory. Professor Kontorovich illustrated this concept with the example of Crimea, which the international community regards as currently occupied by Russia but truly part of Ukraine. The reason for this international consensus is that Ukraine declared independence upon the dissolution of the USSR–the last top geopolitical entity in the territory–thus taking on boundaries that included within it the newly-constituted independent Ukraine.
In May 1948, Israel declared its independence, meaning that by the accepted legal principle of Uti Possidetis Juris, the new state inherited the same borders as Mandatory Palestine, which came before it, specifically the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. It is important to note that Palestine did not declare statehood when Israel did. Instead, they willingly handed their fate to invading armies of a combined Arab force drawn from neighboring states. If the Palestinians had declared independence, then the two forces would have fought for the power to govern the new state with borders set by the mandate. However, that legal fight for governance never materialized. Therefore, when we apply the rule of international law that is used to determine the borders of all new countries, Israel must be recognized as the only successor entity to the mandate.”
Are you genuinely interested in evidence where the Zionists stole the land of the Palestinians that fled due to the pograms and violence visited upon them by the irgun, for example?? So you see no evidence in the history books that supports the fact that the Palestinians that were driven out of their villages were NOT allowed to return and that their homes and land were illegally given to the European Jews??
You need evidence for that? Ok, sure. Read Ilan Pape, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, amongst others.
Well said. Since we have thousands of years of historical records and images for Palestinians in Palestine, and we know Israel was invented in Palestine nearly 80 years ago, logic decrees that Israel sits in the land of Palestine and everything Israelis say is theirs actually belongs to Palestinians. It has all been stolen.
We also know that since 530 Palestinian towns and villages were wiped from the face of the earth by Zionist forces in 47/48 that logically, a lot of Palestinians were exterminated or expelled. Israel has built and planted over the ruins but we know where they are because they remain marked on British mandate maps and even more ancient maps of Palestine.
Re the right to take the whole country, I refer you to this extract
“In international law, there is a principle in international law referred to as Uti Possidetus Juris, literally translating to “as you possess,” a Roman legal doctrine first cited in private municipal law.
So you are saying because Jews have bought land in any country they have a right to take the entire country as their own?
You said: Uti Possidetus Juris maintains that when a new country is created where there was not a separate country previously, the borders of the new country are identical to the borders of the last top-level geopolitical entity in that territory.
BUT THERE WAS A SEPARATE COUNTRY AND THAT COUNTRY WAS CALLED PALESTINE AND HAD BEEN FOR MORE THAN 5000 YEARS.
That gazumps your silly rules spewed up by the bot.
However, since Israel has no declared borders it does not exist and the only country which does exist is Palestine. Also, since the Zionist invasion of 1947 following the UN recommendation for partition has not abided by the UN recommendation then that UN mandate is null and void. More important, the UN, League of nations and Lord Balfour had no legal right to partition any country on earth so the 1947 UN recommendation was not just immoral it was illegal. LET'S TEST IT IN A COURT OF LAW SHALL WE?
I disagree the indigenous Jews were the ones who lived there with the indigenous Palestinians. I never said the Jews shouldn’t be there at all, but it’s the Zionists who are the problem. These groups were at peace with each other for the most part until the Zionists came.
Not all the time. Sometimes the Arabs would turn on the Christians and the Jews, slit a few throats pour encourager les autres. Early Jewish settlers in Palestine had similar problems. There was a massacre in Hebron. My grandparents feared for their lives in Jerusalem pre-WW1.
Lots of people have feared for their lives throughout history but it does not give them the right to become bestial sadists toward others as the Israelis have done.
Arab - culture. Christian and Jew - religion. Get it right.
Hindus in India are still murdering Christians and Muslims. It happens. That would not give Muslims and Christians the right to do the same to Hindus as Jews think they can do to Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
The bestial sadists were Hamas on 7 October. Israel, on the other hand, is fighting a remarkably humane war. It may not seem like it. It doesn’t seem like it. But the kill ratios support my view and this is widely recognised by military observers. Example. When the USA and allies bombed Mosul in their attempt to destroy ISIS, they cared not a jot about the far greater deaths of innocents nor were they criticised for their actions.
The Palestinians are mere amateurs for bestiality and sadistic cruelty compared to the Israelis and we have that reality documented for nearly 80 years. Not just Israeli and international human rights groups but the testimonies of ex soldiers sickened at what they saw, did and were ordered to do.
The Israeli army will go down as one of the most bestial and evil in history. So much for their humanity:
1. Israeli snipers shooting pregnant women in the stomach and filming themselves wearing T shirts saying ONE SHOT TWO KILLS.
2. Israeli soldiers shooting toddlers in the head when they are playing. International doctors have reported that the number of toddlers killed in this way is huge.
3. Israeli soldiers stripping men and boys, tying them up, tossing them into pits and executing them.
4. Israeli soldiers shooting children trying to reach food and water.
5. Israeli soldiers shooting doctors inside hospitals as they try to save patients.
6. Israel denying medical aid so amputations and C-sections are done without anaesthetics. Many of the injured are children and some have had two, three, even four limbs removed without anaesthetics. Many of them have had eyes removed.
7. Israeli soldiers digging up cemeteries.
8. Israeli soldiers running excavators and tanks over dead or injured Palestinian men, women and children.
9 Israeli soldiers destroying Palestinian food.
10. Israeli soldiers playing with the lingerie of Palestinian women.
11. Israeli soldiers killing aid workers.
12. Israeli soldiers killing people trying to reach food.
13. Israeli soldiers actively targeting civilians knowing nearly half of them are children.
14. The death of Hind Rahab. A six year old girl travelling with family when the Israelis bombed their car and she was left alive with everyone else dead. She managed to call for help and emergency workers went out to rescue her. But the Israelis killed her, remember she is six years old, and then killed the aid workers trying to save her. The sadists sent 355 bullets into the car where she was hiding in terror.
Would you also be equally at home with ethnic Muslims, ethnic Christians, ethnic Wiccans declaring a state? The ethnic Muslims of China would choose to go and colonise modern day Saudi Arabia since their ancestors were the early Meccans, they could claim.. and, as per western media, they have been genocided by the Chinese.. so the same logic behind the creation myth of the state of Israel would definitely apply. All anybody would have to do is follow rhetorical textbook example of Israel. Declaring a religion an ethnicity: check! Persecution because of ethnicity/religion: check! Chosen-ness: well, anyone can say they were chosen and the proof is that god or the fairy at the bottom of their garden told them so, so: check!
The Yazidus in Iraq have been historically persecuted. Should they declare an ethnic Yazidi state? Would you support that? The Uighur should also declare their own state (after all, the west has declared their plight a genocide committed by the godless Chinese). How about the Church of Satan?
Why isn’t America exclusively a Protestant country that represents all Protestants around the world since the early colonisers themselves, were persecuted by the church and many fled to the new world driven by that religious persecution??
Now, if you think the Jews have an exclusive right to statehood based on a) persecution: they’re not the first or last religious group to be persecuted;
and b) chosen-ness: everyone and their dog thinks their special..then you’re argument is not even weak it’s non existent..
I’ll give you that. What I mean is I get what you’re saying, but that doesn’t justify what is going on now in Gaza. Do you not know about the rapes of Palestinian men in those horrific Israeli prisons? The murder of the 6 year old Palestinian girl and her whole family when they were trying to escape the air strikes from American/Israeli bombs and then the two ambulance drivers also killed by Israeli tanks? The murdering of doctors in hospitals in Gaza just trying to save babies? The children whose heads, limbs, arms etc. that have been blown off?! Where have you been. There is nothing you can tell me that will justify this genocide. Not saying you are doing that, but this is happening now. And don’t say Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields b/c that’s been debunked just like the 40 beheaded babies and it’s actually the Israelis that use Palestinians as human shields going into the tunnels to find Hamas fighters and use their own citizens as human shields(Hannibal Directive). There is plenty of evidence to back this up.
The Jews were a truly trivial and tiny part of Palestinian society. But, even if they had been a majority they still had no right to take Palestine for their theocratic, racist, colonial state.
How long are you going to repeat the lies of the West? It’s really getting old. It’s also a matter of record that Muslims,Jews and Christians all got along before the Zionists came and stole land that didn’t belong to them. These religious groups all lived pretty much in peace before the Zionist influence. You spout stuff with no evidence. It’s not about Judaism. It’s about Zionism. You don’t even have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. This movement started way before the Holocaust. Please quit lying. Most Jews want nothing to do with Zionism. Listen to Holocaust survivors who have come out against Israel and people like Miko Peled who is a former IOF member and lived in Israel and whose father was a strong Zionist, but he chose to become an activist for a free Palestine. He is Israeli and Jewish, btw.
I try hard to tell the truth as I understand it to be. If I say something that can be proven to be categorically untrue I will apologise and not repeat it. Muslims, Jews and Christians did get along pretty well as long as the Christians and Jews knew their place as second class, paid their taxes and were useful. It didn’t always prevent the occasional massacre. As for stealing the land you should choose your words more carefully. Zionists bought the land with hard cash from Arab landowners. No land was stolen from individual Arabs. When independence was declared in 1948 properties vacated by Arabs were taken over and occupied (stolen if you like) by opportunist Jews but their actions were analogous to similar events in Arab countries which ethnically cleansed their Jewish populations and appropriated their assets without compensation. I know two wrongs don’t make a right but ‘Palestine’ prior to the arrival of Zionists had indigenous Jews as well as Arabs and the Jews hadn’t colonised it, the Arabs had.
Another Zio lie. Yes Zionists bought some land in Palestine through bullying, bribery and dishonesty but the amount was truly trivial. None of it gave them the right to take the whole country.
By your criteria because Jews own land in the US they can invade, occupy, set up their own State (well they have in a way) and treat Americans as they treat Palestinians.
SAME MISTAKE - remember, apples with apples. You cannot compare Jews, a religion, with Arabs a culture.
And let us not fib or actively lie. Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years and it belongs to the Palestinian people, regardless of their religion. Palestine does not belong to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus or any other religion. It belongs to Palestinians and it will be free.
Two wrongs do not make a right and there is something truly evil about Jews doing to Christians and Muslims in Palestine what was done to many European Jews during WWII. And doing it for nearly 80 years not four or five. It is horrifying that Israeli Zio-Jewish culture teaches their children the concept of Untermenschen, that non-Jews are inferior and Palestinian non-Jews are not even human and can be crushed like insects. Just a nuisance that there is so much blood and not just some icky white goo.
Re land purchase by bullying, bribery and dishonesty, where is your evidence for this claim?
Re the right to take the whole country, I refer you to this extract
“In international law, there is a principle in international law referred to as Uti Possidetus Juris, literally translating to “as you possess,” a Roman legal doctrine first cited in private municipal law.
Uti Possidetus Juris maintains that when a new country is created where there was not a separate country previously, the borders of the new country are identical to the borders of the last top-level geopolitical entity in that territory. Professor Kontorovich illustrated this concept with the example of Crimea, which the international community regards as currently occupied by Russia but truly part of Ukraine. The reason for this international consensus is that Ukraine declared independence upon the dissolution of the USSR–the last top geopolitical entity in the territory–thus taking on boundaries that included within it the newly-constituted independent Ukraine.
In May 1948, Israel declared its independence, meaning that by the accepted legal principle of Uti Possidetis Juris, the new state inherited the same borders as Mandatory Palestine, which came before it, specifically the land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. It is important to note that Palestine did not declare statehood when Israel did. Instead, they willingly handed their fate to invading armies of a combined Arab force drawn from neighboring states. If the Palestinians had declared independence, then the two forces would have fought for the power to govern the new state with borders set by the mandate. However, that legal fight for governance never materialized. Therefore, when we apply the rule of international law that is used to determine the borders of all new countries, Israel must be recognized as the only successor entity to the mandate.”
Are you genuinely interested in evidence where the Zionists stole the land of the Palestinians that fled due to the pograms and violence visited upon them by the irgun, for example?? So you see no evidence in the history books that supports the fact that the Palestinians that were driven out of their villages were NOT allowed to return and that their homes and land were illegally given to the European Jews??
You need evidence for that? Ok, sure. Read Ilan Pape, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, amongst others.
Well said. Since we have thousands of years of historical records and images for Palestinians in Palestine, and we know Israel was invented in Palestine nearly 80 years ago, logic decrees that Israel sits in the land of Palestine and everything Israelis say is theirs actually belongs to Palestinians. It has all been stolen.
We also know that since 530 Palestinian towns and villages were wiped from the face of the earth by Zionist forces in 47/48 that logically, a lot of Palestinians were exterminated or expelled. Israel has built and planted over the ruins but we know where they are because they remain marked on British mandate maps and even more ancient maps of Palestine.
You said:
Re the right to take the whole country, I refer you to this extract
“In international law, there is a principle in international law referred to as Uti Possidetus Juris, literally translating to “as you possess,” a Roman legal doctrine first cited in private municipal law.
So you are saying because Jews have bought land in any country they have a right to take the entire country as their own?
You said: Uti Possidetus Juris maintains that when a new country is created where there was not a separate country previously, the borders of the new country are identical to the borders of the last top-level geopolitical entity in that territory.
BUT THERE WAS A SEPARATE COUNTRY AND THAT COUNTRY WAS CALLED PALESTINE AND HAD BEEN FOR MORE THAN 5000 YEARS.
That gazumps your silly rules spewed up by the bot.
However, since Israel has no declared borders it does not exist and the only country which does exist is Palestine. Also, since the Zionist invasion of 1947 following the UN recommendation for partition has not abided by the UN recommendation then that UN mandate is null and void. More important, the UN, League of nations and Lord Balfour had no legal right to partition any country on earth so the 1947 UN recommendation was not just immoral it was illegal. LET'S TEST IT IN A COURT OF LAW SHALL WE?
I disagree the indigenous Jews were the ones who lived there with the indigenous Palestinians. I never said the Jews shouldn’t be there at all, but it’s the Zionists who are the problem. These groups were at peace with each other for the most part until the Zionists came.
You said it. “ For the most part”
Not all the time. Sometimes the Arabs would turn on the Christians and the Jews, slit a few throats pour encourager les autres. Early Jewish settlers in Palestine had similar problems. There was a massacre in Hebron. My grandparents feared for their lives in Jerusalem pre-WW1.
Lots of people have feared for their lives throughout history but it does not give them the right to become bestial sadists toward others as the Israelis have done.
Arab - culture. Christian and Jew - religion. Get it right.
Hindus in India are still murdering Christians and Muslims. It happens. That would not give Muslims and Christians the right to do the same to Hindus as Jews think they can do to Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
The bestial sadists were Hamas on 7 October. Israel, on the other hand, is fighting a remarkably humane war. It may not seem like it. It doesn’t seem like it. But the kill ratios support my view and this is widely recognised by military observers. Example. When the USA and allies bombed Mosul in their attempt to destroy ISIS, they cared not a jot about the far greater deaths of innocents nor were they criticised for their actions.
The Palestinians are mere amateurs for bestiality and sadistic cruelty compared to the Israelis and we have that reality documented for nearly 80 years. Not just Israeli and international human rights groups but the testimonies of ex soldiers sickened at what they saw, did and were ordered to do.
The Israeli army will go down as one of the most bestial and evil in history. So much for their humanity:
1. Israeli snipers shooting pregnant women in the stomach and filming themselves wearing T shirts saying ONE SHOT TWO KILLS.
2. Israeli soldiers shooting toddlers in the head when they are playing. International doctors have reported that the number of toddlers killed in this way is huge.
3. Israeli soldiers stripping men and boys, tying them up, tossing them into pits and executing them.
4. Israeli soldiers shooting children trying to reach food and water.
5. Israeli soldiers shooting doctors inside hospitals as they try to save patients.
6. Israel denying medical aid so amputations and C-sections are done without anaesthetics. Many of the injured are children and some have had two, three, even four limbs removed without anaesthetics. Many of them have had eyes removed.
7. Israeli soldiers digging up cemeteries.
8. Israeli soldiers running excavators and tanks over dead or injured Palestinian men, women and children.
9 Israeli soldiers destroying Palestinian food.
10. Israeli soldiers playing with the lingerie of Palestinian women.
11. Israeli soldiers killing aid workers.
12. Israeli soldiers killing people trying to reach food.
13. Israeli soldiers actively targeting civilians knowing nearly half of them are children.
14. The death of Hind Rahab. A six year old girl travelling with family when the Israelis bombed their car and she was left alive with everyone else dead. She managed to call for help and emergency workers went out to rescue her. But the Israelis killed her, remember she is six years old, and then killed the aid workers trying to save her. The sadists sent 355 bullets into the car where she was hiding in terror.
Would you also be equally at home with ethnic Muslims, ethnic Christians, ethnic Wiccans declaring a state? The ethnic Muslims of China would choose to go and colonise modern day Saudi Arabia since their ancestors were the early Meccans, they could claim.. and, as per western media, they have been genocided by the Chinese.. so the same logic behind the creation myth of the state of Israel would definitely apply. All anybody would have to do is follow rhetorical textbook example of Israel. Declaring a religion an ethnicity: check! Persecution because of ethnicity/religion: check! Chosen-ness: well, anyone can say they were chosen and the proof is that god or the fairy at the bottom of their garden told them so, so: check!
The Yazidus in Iraq have been historically persecuted. Should they declare an ethnic Yazidi state? Would you support that? The Uighur should also declare their own state (after all, the west has declared their plight a genocide committed by the godless Chinese). How about the Church of Satan?
Why isn’t America exclusively a Protestant country that represents all Protestants around the world since the early colonisers themselves, were persecuted by the church and many fled to the new world driven by that religious persecution??
Now, if you think the Jews have an exclusive right to statehood based on a) persecution: they’re not the first or last religious group to be persecuted;
and b) chosen-ness: everyone and their dog thinks their special..then you’re argument is not even weak it’s non existent..
I’ll give you that. What I mean is I get what you’re saying, but that doesn’t justify what is going on now in Gaza. Do you not know about the rapes of Palestinian men in those horrific Israeli prisons? The murder of the 6 year old Palestinian girl and her whole family when they were trying to escape the air strikes from American/Israeli bombs and then the two ambulance drivers also killed by Israeli tanks? The murdering of doctors in hospitals in Gaza just trying to save babies? The children whose heads, limbs, arms etc. that have been blown off?! Where have you been. There is nothing you can tell me that will justify this genocide. Not saying you are doing that, but this is happening now. And don’t say Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields b/c that’s been debunked just like the 40 beheaded babies and it’s actually the Israelis that use Palestinians as human shields going into the tunnels to find Hamas fighters and use their own citizens as human shields(Hannibal Directive). There is plenty of evidence to back this up.
The Jews were a truly trivial and tiny part of Palestinian society. But, even if they had been a majority they still had no right to take Palestine for their theocratic, racist, colonial state.