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Professor Mearsheimer: history will remember your moral consistency, your courage, your curiosity, and your recognition of human suffering. Thank you for your voice in this wilderness 🙏

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Professor Mearsheimer: Excuse me. What about almost three years of Russian war crimes in Ukraine?

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If they had listened to the Professor’s warning and prediction 10 years ago, many thousands of Ukrainian and Russian young men would be alive and Ukraine’s sovereignty would be intact.

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Ukraine's sovereignty would be as intact as any satellite country's is.

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About as intact at as the UK or Netherlands or Norway or Estonia.

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A war that was entirely intentional on the part of the United States.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

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Thanks for for the reference! It is appalling ! our “foreign policy” is nothing other than constant Cold War on the edge of nuclear annihilation!

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Putin invaded Ukraine because he believes it has no right to exist. Did you listen to the Tucker Carlson interview?

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Russia invaded Ukraine because it was faced with a Hobson's Choice:

(1) Do nothing and allow Ukraine to slaughter the people of the Donbas and then install NATO platforms for nuclear-capable missiles on the border of Russia.

Or

(2) Invade Ukraine, protect the Donbas people, and prevent NATO encroachment on Russia's border. And accepting with that the economic sanction of the West, the unavoidable human casualties of warfare, and the economic cost of weapons and munitions.

Neither choice is attractive, but choice #2 was preferable because it provides a long-term solution to the NATO expansion problem. History will be favorable to Putin.

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Finally someone who dares to look at the Russian point of view. It was the U.S. that created the 2014 coup in Ukraine, on the Russian border, that replaced a Russia friendly government with one directed by the U.S. and U.K. How would the U.S. respond to a Russian coup in Mexico? How did it respond to Soviet allied Cuba in the Sixties? The U.S. still blockades Cuba.

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Provide an exact quote.

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I did listen, and Putin did not say that.

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Yes, and, apparently, you did not.

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I didn't listen, but I knew that, if Putin had in fact said anything like that, every MSM talking head would be publicly calling for the fainting couch.

For that matter, even if Russia really were guilty of every last thing it is accused of, that would be but a pimple on the ass of the War On Iraq alone.

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It's always deeply amusing when people "Quote" articles the lamestream media have deliberately misquoted, and try to pass themselves off as informed by so doing, isn't it? ;)

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Well, we know you didn’t listen to that interview, dear..

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I listen to the entire Putin Tucker Carlson interview. He said because Ukraine had asked for Russia's help in 1654, they had permanently decided to become a part of Russia. Khrushchev also celebrated this in 1954 when he declared a celebration of the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming part of Russia. I don't see how a request for help in 1654 creates a permanent lasting obligation on the part of Ukraine.

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You mean war crimes as conjured by Ukraine and western powers, and spread by western propagandist media?

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It’s not as simple as that. The Russian-Ukrainian divide is largely a false dichotomy. The Slavland Chronicles guy on Substack has gone over this multiple times.

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You must be kidding. But I don't think so. And Himmler wasn't kidding eithe.r So the mass grave at Bucha Was dug by the Ukrainians?

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Lets look at that situation rationally.

Option A: The Russians frogmarched the locals wearing the pro-Russian armband into the street and executed them as a warning to the rest of Ukraine not to support Russia.

Option B: the Azov battalion who moved in after the Russians left frogmarched the locals wearing the pro-Russian armband into the street and executed them as a warning not to support Russia.

Tricky intellectual dilemma this one.

Almost a coin toss of probabilities, really.

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Oh please. The Bucha setup by actor Zelinsky's theatrical group was just the start of the constant lies trying to incriminate Russia in crimes the Ukrainians committed.

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The mass grave at Bucha contained civilians killed by indiscriminate Ukrainian shelling during the time the settlement was controlled by the Russians. Their injuries were consistent with death by 155mm artillery fire, not execution. The Ukrainian military has a long history of shelling civilian areas not under their control, going back to 2014.

The mass graves were intended to prevent the spread of disease, and were a joint enterprise of the Russian military and responsible local citizens. The execution-style killings that were later publicised by the West and blamed on the Russians were actually performed by Ukrainian "punishment battalions" who regularly move into areas taken by the Kiev armed forces to "deal with" civilians who were too co-operative with the anti-Nazi forces while they were present. In Kharkov oblast that included teachers who continued teaching after the school curriculum had been purged of Anti-Russian racism. It is known that in Bucha, the victims included people who had helped distribute Russian emergency rations to the housebound. I wouldn't be surprised if those who helped with the mass graves were also targetted.

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Evidently you are not a follower of the Professor else you would have never made that comment.

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Actually, like an adult I'm not a follower of anyone. I have learned a few things from the professor, and I hope to learn more.

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Not much. Try to be open.

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Lest you get too semantic on us, let’s rephrase: if you have read/listened to Prof Mearsheimer’s views on the Ukraine war, you would not have asked that question.. he’s been consistent about that one, too for decades. Let’s give you a bit of homework and have you revisit his talks/writings on that one and see if you can come up with a cogent answer to your question..

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Does believing that Ukraine should have remained subservient to Russia, excuse the fact that Russia has consistently bombed civilian targets in Ukraine?

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No, of course not! Ukraine should be subservient to NATO/the U.S.. if it’s gotta be subservient it most certainly should be to the superior west.. FYI, Russia/Putin has always been banging on about Ukrainian neutrality and NATO enlargement (you would have gleaned that much from reading Prof Mearsheimer’s views and actually investigating for your yourself - as you follow no one - by listening to the Russian side).

By now, your tired tropes of Russia trying to reinstate the former USSR is as useful as a load of hasbara in trying to win any argument.. I’m afraid you stumbled on the wrong forum.. CNN/western msm is your natural stomping ground.. especially for the non followers, free thinkers like yourself..

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Do you have any actual evidence that "Russia has consistently bombed civilian targets in Ukraine"? The drum-beat of accusations in the Western media don't count as evidence, of course. As you like to throw around accusations concerning Goebbels, I would remind you that he said that the secret of propaganda is to repeat a lie often enough that it is accepted as the truth.

I don't look into all such accusations, as life is too short. But in every case I have investigated, it has turned out either that the target was a military one illegally disguised as a civilian one, or the damage was caused by Ukrainian air defences either directly or by knocking Russian missiles off course, or the attack had actually been performed by the Ukrainians rather than the Russians. Footage of damage to civilian areas in liberated territory caused by Ukrainian terror-shelling is regularly stolen from pro-Russian media and presented in the West as evidence of Russian "atrocities" in a completely different place.

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Would you like to explain in what way Ukraine was "subservient to Russia" before the coup? Yanukovich was removed because he was protecting Ukrainian interests, not because he was working in Russian interests. The West insisted that he should largely cut off relations with his country's most vital trade partner, with which the Ukraine had a profitable and pretty equal relationship, and replace it with a totally subservient economic relationship with the EU. When he received the advice of economic consultants about how disastrous it would be to accept European demands to freeze out the Russian trade, he asked for three-way talks to sort out affairs to everyone's satisfaction -- which had been the Russians' suggestion from the beginning. Rather than grant that reasonable request, the West organised his violent overthrow.

And you dare to talk of the Ukraine being subservient to Russia, when the coup turned it into a mere cats-paw to be sacrificed for the sake of the West's desire to harm Russia, and return it to the semi-colonial state it had had in the 1990s?

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I am familiar with his views on the Ukraine War, but if we're going to get upset about Israeli war crimes, we should also get upset about Russia’s. If Ukraine did not have good defensive systems, Kiev would look just like Gaza at this point.

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I disagree. Kiev would not look like Gaza. In 2022, Russian troops were close enough to Kiev to bombard it. They did not.

Most of the damage to civilians is by misfired rockets or by the falling debris of the intercepted rockets.

Every western military expert who is not earning money and fame on mass market media testified to that, including the professor.

The latest number of killed Ukrainian civilians by the NYTimes is 10,000 after almost 3 years of war. 14,000 civilians were killed in the civil war in Donbas between 2014-2022.

To compare the numbers, in the Iraq war, 15,000 civilians were killed in the American „shock and awe” campaign on the way to Bagdad. 800,000 civilians through the war. And they still can’t get the rest of American troops out of the country in spite of their persistent demands.

Soldiers who attempted to talk about the war crimes of the American army were silenced. An Australian soldier who brought the topic up regarding the Aussie troops behavior in Iraq recently ended up in jail.

Sorry, the facade of the „shining city on the hill” has crumbled and the truth is obvious.

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We should be specially upset about USA war crimes because they are the most terrible and the most frequent by far. But since they became the worlds dictators without anyone noticing they and all Nato satellites which definitely includes Israel get a free pass with genocide and all the atrocities they have participated on. About Bucha, after two years have passed, Ukraine would have found the names of Russia's victims, because all Russian representatives in the United Nations have asked for them since the alleged massacre. Why the list of names has not been delivered is a clue that shuts the case down regarding the fact that the Bucha's massacre was a false flag.

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Ask Boris Johnson why he got Zelensky to tear up the peace agreement initialled by all parties.....Boris has blood on his hands!

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There is a war in Ukraine, started by America years ago, there are relatively few civilian death’s. There is no war in Gaza. Only mass murder, along with sodomy, rape, torture, and so on by the Israelis. Not only does America supply the bombs, aircraft they now supply all the jet fuel.

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War started on October 7 when savages killed 1200 people and kidnapped 250 more. Over 100 of these poor people are still held in these horrific conditions. It could have stopped at any time if Hamas had released the hostages and surrendered. But they refused multiple cease-fire opportunities, even with the opportunity for safe passage of the leaders to another country. They deserve everything happening to them and more.

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Moron

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It's not a war, but the occupation and destruction of Palestine by the $atanic Rothschild😈 mafia, which is blasphemously is called "Israel".

- And that mafia itself created Hamas as early as 1978 to avoid a peaceful two-state solution.

“By way of deception thou shalt do war” - Mossad motto.

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Israel vacated Gaza in 2005, you moron.

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And God/Yahweh/Dude Upstairs promised the land to the wandering band of Israelites.. just adding to your suitcase of facts (otherwise known as hasbara) as you travel the vast expanses of the internet.. good luck! You’re gonna need it..

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No equivalency here because a. Russia does not hold itself as the beacon of democracy and human rights and b. War crimes according to whom? The same people who are committing the genocide in Gaza and lying about it? Perhaps you should did a bit deeper and find out if it is really true

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JCC warrant for Putin’s arrest is for the crime of moving children from the orphanages in the war zones of the occupied territories of Donbas to the Russian Federation when the Ukrainian summer offensive started.

Also the children sent by their parents to the summer camp in Crimea, Russia, who could not cross the front line when the front lines moved.

The majority of these children are ethnic Russians from the Russian speaking families who from 2014 lived in a civil war zone.

As BBC reported, families who wanted to get their children back were able to travel to Russia and reunite with their children. Most children were from orphanages and now are often in foster families.

Are there any other documented crimes or it is blanket statements of the talking heads on TV?

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Kathleen. Empty your head of western narrative. You’ve made a good start with Mearsheimer.

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What about the provocation - NATO expansion, breaking the promise made to Gorbachev - and the idiot Biden's giveaway: "Putin's got to go"? As Professor Mearsheimer has pointed out, NATO expansion poses an existential threat to Russia, which the neocons well know. A stupid idea in any case, but this was/is yet another US proxy war; Ukrainians will in time curse the Americans.

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What war crimes. Russia saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the Donbass that were about to be extinguished. You damn jews need to stay inside your illegal cult nation.

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I'm not Jewish. I think Israel is committing war crimes also. What a brilliant comment. Your crystal ball isn't working.

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Pointless statement. The one you made regarding war crimes of the RF. The article is about Israel and not Russia. This is typical deflection as practiced by Israeli apologists, therefore the confusion regarding what you are and who you represent.

Hint: think before you write, especially when the article discusses the very serious topic of genocide.

What is currently going down in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria is disgusting, breaking international humanitarian law and against any human norms and values.

Zionists are killers

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I think that the IDF is committing horrific war crimes, but I think Russia should share the spotlight.

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Please read his essays and listen to his interviews.

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Respectfully, I ask, do your homework Ms Weber. He’s spoken often in that subject. Maybe you can be your own worker elf on this one. You will find he has long understood the grift of NATO.

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Fuck off troll

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You mean the lies you read in the "free media" the West is so proud of?

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The Slavland Chronicles on Substack details that situation quite well. To sum it up, what is happening to Palestinians in Palestine, is also happening to Slavs.

Menachem Mendel Shneerson just about summed it up in ‘Slavyanin’ in 1994. Ukrainians and Russians commit war crimes against each other for the sake of each other’s mutual annihilation.

Non-Slavic interest groups in both the Russia and Ukraine have a long-standing ethnic hatred of Slavs.

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Direct result of the fundamental flaw of liberal democracy which is that politicians and policies are on the open market, just like prostitutes. With no exception, all the liberal democracies are really plutocracies.

Rich Jews in this case bought out the western leaders who in return are providing Israel with full support for their genocide. It’s all transactions.

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rich beyond your imagination Jews Not even remotly. Even by bloodline.

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Filthy rich is the proper term here. This is not a choice of God. Some of those creeps don’t even believe in God, others have a Christian background, in that case a subset of Judaism. It’s a good thing the Catholic Romans spent so little tax payer money to get this all Kosher.

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Interesting. Could you please identify by name all of the “Rich Jews” who you say “bought out …western leaders”, as well as those leaders names and how much those pesky little “Rich Jews” paid those leaders?

Are you knowledgeable? Or just a an ordinary, run of the mill, uninformed antisemite?

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Let me recommend Measheimer's book on the Israeli lobby.

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Can you spell "AIPAC"?

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Oh FFS. So you think “The Jews” control the world? Or just all media companies? Or Hollywood? Or American Finance? Or our Colleges and Universities? Or Congress? You’re very amusing. I guess you’re one of the run of the mill variant. Now do IACI.

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Pretty much, yes.

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lol. Ok. You shall know them by their fruits. October 7. I bet you’re the life of the party. In Rafah.

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Unfortunately I have never been.

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Google AIPAC sweetie

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There will be peace in the ME when the Palestinians (and their Arab and Persian supporters) learn to love their children more than they hate the Jews.

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Using children as leverage and excuse for genocide, how charming of you

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You may want to review the Tucker Massie's interview. He gets into who is buying whom to support Israel.

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The alternative is that the Western elites are setting Global Judaism up for the Shoah 2.0; and this time there won't be a Muslim Middle East to protect many of them.

Perhaps 'the truth' lies somewhere inbetween.

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Professor, you are absolutely correct in your assessment. I would add Canada to the complicity list of Western nations. Canada’s government should know better, considering Canadian Generals were in command of UN peacekeepers in Rwanda and Bosnia-Herzegovina. They have seen this movie before but still “crickets”. Unfortunately the Israeli government has led Western governments by the nose with their propaganda. Fortunately, social media has exposed the reality of ethnic cleansing to those of us who are paying attention to media like the Intercept, Al Jessera and following Palestinians posting on IG and TikTok. Even those outlets are manipulating their algorithms to bury reality.

Protestors here in Canada have been over policed to the point of police officers initiating physical violence against them and journalists when the protest is very peaceful and then trumped up charges by ambitious narrow minded prosecutors. But of course Canada is “all in” because naming what Israel as genocide points back to our own genocidal history with our many Indigenous peoples.

Those of us with moral-ethical compasses need to continue to speak up. It’s the least we can do!!

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We are a small country, captive of corporations and powerful diaspora groups, that holds the neighbour bully's coat....the bully that sometimes lets Canada do the dirty work like proudly lead the NATO mission that bombed Libya back to the Stoneage.

Merry Christmas!

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Thank you Professor Mearshiemer for your unwavering moral compass

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“History will not treat them kindly.” — Perhaps not —  but, in the meantime, Palestinians are killed….

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Some kind of Nuremberg trials are appropriate for the likes of Netanyahu, Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, and the like

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Thank you Professor Mearsheimer for all of your wisdom and truth this year.

Unfortunately, though history will indeed treat these savages and their savage acts unkindly, it will come too late to matter to the victims, and even the perpetrators, as if they cared.

I want to add that I think we need to stop calling this Israel ‘s genocide. It is financed, armed, and enabled by the United States. The powerful censorship and propaganda apparatus of Zionism has taken over American campuses, media and public discourse. America must own this as more than complicity, it is in fact a partnership. Let history acknowledge that as well.

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Sera - Truth

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You’re right on with that. This is partially the West’s or the US’s failing, but only insofar as it has let itself be taken over by the Jewish mafia (Mossad, AIPAC, ADL, Chabad groups).

The same dirty thieves who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin for trying to find a two-state solution used Monica Lewinsky as a pawn to get Bill Clinton (who also pushed the two-state solution) to step down.

We are dealing with devilish people who absolutely have no morals.

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Corporate America owns our government and our people through purchasing elections. Someone has financial gain in mind as the slaughter in Gaza continues.

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to have moral Bankruptcy. One must first have, the moral ground to stand on. the Western proxy nations have none. Never had

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Thank you Sir for everything you do. I lack the words for describing how appreciated it is. I know millions of others agree.

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I wrote about the long slow destruction of Americas soul here.

“I view these instances as a sickening rot on our nation’s soul, something that must be cut out, violently if need be, in order to keep the whole healthy.”

https://www.diligent.news/p/to-save-the-soul-of-america

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Lord ba'al children don't have souls

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Thank you, Professor Mearsheimer. I appreciate your willingness to say these things. Telling the truth about certain things isn't popular.

I wonder if perhaps this is particularly relevant for this time of year.

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Indeed. Compare the media on the Magdeburg crime! 5 dead and many wounded, also seriously. Commiseration from European politicians who cover behind silence as far as Gaza and the West Bank are concerned. Shameful.

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Yes. Thank you for this. The moral depravity of our elites is appalling. How can people remain silent in the face of the deliberate, systematic murder of children? Worse, how can they SUPPORT such ghastly crimes? Whatever moral standing we may have had (perhaps not much, after Vietnam, Central America, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan...) has now vanished.

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Thank you Prof. Mearsheimer for reminding us of the organizations who rightly judge Israel as an apartheid state. And let us add to the list B'Tselem, the highly respected Israeli human rights organization that documents Israel's vicious occupation crimes and has officially declared its own nation-state to be guilty of apartheid.

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Thank God for Substack and columns like John Mearsheimer's. In the past three years we have learned a dispiriting lesson about not just the main stream media but many unofficial media platforms as well: they will not tolerate dissent when it comes to their "values." I used to publish in Quillette but find it unreadable today. Here is what I wrote to its Canadian editor a few months ago (he never replied):

"Quillette was once iconoclastic. Today it is genteel. A site that boasted its openness to plural perspectives and arguments, has failed the two most important tests of our later lifetimes: the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. About both, Quillette is a duplicate of The Atlantic. This is not a compliment. The problem lies not in Quillette's editors’ support of Nato or of Israel. Principled arguments can be made for both. (I have made arguments for both.) It is the journal’s failure to open its “pages” to disputing analyses. You guys cleave to one viewpoint. Everything else is obviously intolerable.

.... It is not your lack of courage that I tax you for. It is your lack of imagination. In years to come, when the smoke clears, and distance becomes possible, these wars and the slaughter they involved will look very different. Wars always do. It would have been good, at the time, for Quillette to have prepared for this."

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This is indeed the case. At every turn in the history of the State of Israel the West has failed to stop Israel’s aggression. “Israel has a right to defend itself.” “We see no evidence of genocide,” “The ICC has no jurisdiction and is biased in its judgment.” In fact the West is biased in favor of Israel. One can clearly see the hypocrisy in comparison with the Kurds. The Kurds allied with the U.S. in its war against Iraq and against ISIS. Now the Kurds are facing an onslaught from Turkey and the U.S. may well abandon them. Apparently the Jews have a right to establish and defend their nation (on land they did not own), but the Kurds do not have such rights on their own land.

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It's because the Kurds didn't have the Holocaust and Hollywood.

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