My question is: When people like Linsey Graham and Nikki Haley (and others) spout words like 'kill 'em all' etc, couldn't that be just as complicit as Israel's officials saying the same thing? I mean we already are complicit.
If you're an Israeli official your statement of kill them all carries a lot more weight and has a lot more impact then the ignorant, heartless words of a Nikki Hell and Linsay Cracker. When they open their mouth, and say kill them all, the only impact their words should have, is don't vote for insensitive heartless asses.
Do you take the statements of politicians seriously? Remember Reagan in '80 saying that the Panama Canal was ours, we built it, and no tinhorn dictator was going to take it away (or something to that effect). He became President, and it was given away. Likewise, in '16, DJT said he would build a wall, and Mexico would pay for it. Didn't happen. I know I have definite recollections of pretty much all Presidential candidates making similar "promises."
S. Africa actually is an openly racist state. That combined with the S. African govt's public approval of Hamas' murderous attack on Oct 7 makes it impossible to take anything they say seriously.
So what if Israel’s arab population is safer than South Africa? What about Epstein? What about this, what about that? Can we just stick to the Israel’s genocide case?
And as I pointed out above, Israel's 20% Arab population is 70%+ supportive of the war against Hamas and considers themselves very much part of Israel. So, the Arabs in Israel (who are likely the most culturally similar to their fellow Arabs in Gaza and also in the best position to evaluate their treatment and Israel's intent) apparently do not find anything genocidal in Israel's actions.
If you're actually looking for the truth (instead of just trying to score points against Jews), it seems to me paying attention to what whose closest to the situation and with the most incentive to care about what's going on in Gaza would be a good idea.
Note, I'm not saying if Israeli Arabs were protesting the Gaza war I would necessarily be on the "Jews are genocidal" train. However, even you must admit that it's a little weird that Western liberals are more on board the train than Israeli Arabs are.
Why would you think the "the facts" will come out of a bunch of EU judges in the Hague looking at a complaint from an apartheid state located 4000 miles away from the conflict?
Political processes (which this absolutely is) are good ways to manage perceptions but poor ways to determine truth.
Are Palestinians Semitic people? (Question to an AI chat)
The short answer is yes, Palestinians are indeed considered Semitic people.
Now, let's dive into the long answer. The term "Semitic" refers to a group of people who speak or are descended from people who speak a Semitic language. These languages include Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic, among others. Palestinians primarily speak Arabic, which is a Semitic language. So, in terms of language, Palestinians are indeed Semitic people.
But wait, there's more! The term "Semitic" is also used to describe a group of people who share common ancestry, originating from the Middle East and parts of North Africa. Palestinians, like many other groups in the region, have a rich and diverse history that includes various migrations, conquests, and cultural exchanges. This means that genetically, Palestinians are a mix of different ancestral groups, including Semitic peoples.
In conclusion, Palestinians are considered Semitic people both linguistically and ancestrally.
I'm pretty far left politically but have been watching Napolitano's "Judging Freedom" for quite some time now and have to say I'm very impressed with who he has on and the informative nature of all the discussions I've seen so far.
Just to be clear. The ICJ can determine whether a state has committed genocide. What the court is doing now is the first phase, that conditions are such that genocide is potentially happening, there is genocidal intent, and there must be an injunction against Israel to stop its actions. A full judgement from the court, determining whether Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, will likely take years to emerge. A 2019 case that The Gambia brought against Myanmar for its military crackdown on Rohingya refugees is still in trial, for example, more than four years after it began.
Miko, on Hedges, and he's said it before, but today, right in our faces, it's about genes, man: " . . . we have this resourcefulness and strength in our genes. . . "
Hedges: Let's juxtapose the myth that you were taught in school about the IDF with the reality.
Miko: The myth that I was... Again, this was given to me in larger doses at home because my father and his comrades were all part of the 1948 mythology. We were small and we were resourceful, and we were clever, and therefore, in 1948, we were able to defeat these Arab armies and these Arab killers who came to try to kill us and so on and destroy our fledgling little Jewish state. And because of our heroism -- And you talked about the biblical connection -- Because we are the descendants of
King David, and we are the descendants of the Maccabees, and we have this resourcefulness and
strength in our genes, we were able to create a state and then every time they attacked, we were there. We were able to defend ourselves and prevail and so on. It's everywhere. Then again, in my case, it's every time the larger, more extended family got together or my parents got together with their friends. And in many cases, the fathers were also comrades in arms.
Israel's presentation does a very good job of discussing provisional measures which honestly are the key issue in my opinion. They have to balance interests and give Israel interests/rights same benefit. Hamas still holds hostages, Hamas is still firing rockets. I don't see how South Africa prevails but I suppose anything is possible. Now later, I suppose there could be identified violations that are prosecutable but I think Israel is good for now.
"We are fighting terrorists, we are fighting lies,” Netanyahu said. “Today we saw an upside-down world. Israel is accused of genocide while it is fighting against genocide.” He calls the attack by hamas a genocide. How dramatic, how false. Yet all the death an destruction in Palestine is not. He ignored all the warnings concerning the attack, and just days before a warning from Egypt.
“Israel is fighting murderous terrorists who carried out crimes against humanity: They slaughtered, they raped, they burned, they dismembered, they beheaded – children, women, elderly, young men and women,” he said. “The hypocrisy of South Africa screams to the heavens.” He has repeatedly lied, Israel has repeatedly lied about what was done by Hamas creating a greater sense of their victiimhood. Classic.
"For generations, the Amalekites would be a thorn in the Israelites’ side, raiding the southern territories and allying with other nations to weaken their rivals. However, by declaring war on God’s people, the Amalekites declared war against the God of Israel, marking themselves for eventual destruction."
Hamas was declaring war on God's people, suggesting Palestinians and everyone else are not, and like the Amalekites they are doomed to destruction, not retribution, destruction." Now the Amalekites are the Palestinians, which is quite clear from his statement, and what he wants for them is death and total destruction.
Israel has had the ability to literally wipe out the Palestinians in Gaza for several decades now and yet they have not done so. In fact their population has skyrocketed along with living standards (yes; they were still relatively poor).
The levels of terrorism have increased since my first recollection of such acts at 1972 Olympics and in moments of anguish I have expressed such thoughts of anger toward God myself quoting Bible verses about people created for destruction (my youngest son is severely disabled). I can certainly understand Israeli anger at Hamas. Still, in the end, it is what Israel does and plans to do that matters; not mere words in a moment of tragedy.
Well, if Israel wiped them out instead of putting them in an outdoor concentration camp, as many rightfully call it, they would be brought up on the same charges they are facing now, genocide. Yes the population has skyrocketed, but is that a plus where there is very little sense of a future for the young, and where poverty abounds? Lets not ignore the fact you obviously are aware of, Netanyahu cultivated, and enriched Hamas, empowered them since neither wanted a two state solution, where as Abbas in the West Bank did. Terrorism has increased, but it's not one sided, and that includes what is going on in the West Bank where their land is stolen and large Jewish settlements are being built, and food insecurity is a big problem, not to mention each year a couple of hundred are killed. Yes, they are on Netanyahu's hit list too. He wants Israel for the Jewish people. You know that he is corrupt and has been brought up on charges, and in the end he is simply trying to accomplish his final solution.
When Gallant says, no water, no food, no fuel, because they are animals, what is his message? Death to the Palestinians. Jeff go to Aljazeera, and see it in pictures. You speak of your son, and I do wish him well. There was story the other day where a grandmother and her grandson are walking toward Gaza city and the little one is holding up a small white flag, peace, and someone shoots his grandmother in the head, kills her. The little boy, if he should survive has that memory forever.
Lot to unpack there. I believe I have a very good idea of conditions in the West Bank and what they were in Gaza before the war. I could have lived in either place with no problem were it not for language when I was young but I'm more adaptable than most and you overstate the hardships they faced. In fact I'm saying I would have enjoyed Gaza assuming societal pressure from groups like Hamas to conform were not too bad.
Hamas brought disaster upon Gaza and sure they were used to a very limited extent by some Israeli's but they aren't stupid; they did it willingly (leaders; not Gazans). My opinions don't matter on much of anything and I am certainly not going to solve the problems. Hopefully things will improve after a period of disaster.
I really don't overstate anything since what I express comes from information reported by others who are journalistic honest in their reporting, Books also help, and my interest goes back many years. Good luck to you.
I do hope the merits, standards of proof, and potential remedies are discussed.
I don't take anything said by any politician at face value, and South Africa relied an awful lot on such things, including statements that were disavowed. For example, Joe Biden has said that the US would come to the defense of Taiwan, and I think the US might, but it does not, in my opinion, plausibly show intent. Instead, it merely creates uncertainty for the CCP and serves as a deterrent. Could I argue the other position? Biden is the Commander in Chief but I am positive that he would be controlled by circumstances and capabilities.
Taiwan is not at war. And we are directly funding Israels war. D I R E C T L Y. And may I add, words have consequences...that includes words by Biden, Haley and Graham and others.
I decided decades ago that it was pointless to listen to the words of politicians. I have to read between the lines, and it has worked for me with the exception of Bill Clinton. Some say he was an excellent liar, but he was just governed by circumstances; in other words, he was exceptionally flexible and fundamentally didn't care about anything policy-wise. In Israel's case, you have a public looking for meat due to terrorist attacks. They fed meat in the form of words so no one could get to their right or say attack Palestinians as has happened on occasion. I think they are doing their level best to comply with laws but I tend to think (but don't know) that they have to be willing to accept more military casualties not because the law requires it but purely for purpose of world-wide opinion and they are playing into Hamas' desires which is death (or martyrdom if you prefer) on a large scale of their citizens. I say that, but one rarely knows how a panel of judges will rule; I think it would help their case, too.
My question is: When people like Linsey Graham and Nikki Haley (and others) spout words like 'kill 'em all' etc, couldn't that be just as complicit as Israel's officials saying the same thing? I mean we already are complicit.
If you're an Israeli official your statement of kill them all carries a lot more weight and has a lot more impact then the ignorant, heartless words of a Nikki Hell and Linsay Cracker. When they open their mouth, and say kill them all, the only impact their words should have, is don't vote for insensitive heartless asses.
Do you take the statements of politicians seriously? Remember Reagan in '80 saying that the Panama Canal was ours, we built it, and no tinhorn dictator was going to take it away (or something to that effect). He became President, and it was given away. Likewise, in '16, DJT said he would build a wall, and Mexico would pay for it. Didn't happen. I know I have definite recollections of pretty much all Presidential candidates making similar "promises."
I get ya, but sorry, I think this is on a totally different level.
A reasonable and civil response. Appreciate that. I'm not pretending I have all the answers.
Well seems like the US is the one bent on escalation since they bombed Yemen ...
I wasn't sure whether this show aired before the US bombed Yemen, although it seemed that way.
Great analysis from Mearsheimer. I look forward to reading/listening to his analysis post the Israeli defence.
Let's be very clear the govt whose moral stance your approvingly citing.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-12/south-africa-s-too-white-farms-lose-eu-uk-access-city-press
Israel's Arab population is far safer than S. Africa's white population. They also approve of Israel's actions in the war and view themselves as "part of Israel" by very wide margins (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/), which would be kind of weird if Israel was actually a racist, apartheid state dedicated to the genocide of Arab Palestinians.
S. Africa actually is an openly racist state. That combined with the S. African govt's public approval of Hamas' murderous attack on Oct 7 makes it impossible to take anything they say seriously.
So what if Israel’s arab population is safer than South Africa? What about Epstein? What about this, what about that? Can we just stick to the Israel’s genocide case?
And as I pointed out above, Israel's 20% Arab population is 70%+ supportive of the war against Hamas and considers themselves very much part of Israel. So, the Arabs in Israel (who are likely the most culturally similar to their fellow Arabs in Gaza and also in the best position to evaluate their treatment and Israel's intent) apparently do not find anything genocidal in Israel's actions.
Who cares if the arabs in Israel think it’s not genocide? That’s for the ICJ and majority of public opinion to decide. 🤷♂️
If you're actually looking for the truth (instead of just trying to score points against Jews), it seems to me paying attention to what whose closest to the situation and with the most incentive to care about what's going on in Gaza would be a good idea.
Note, I'm not saying if Israeli Arabs were protesting the Gaza war I would necessarily be on the "Jews are genocidal" train. However, even you must admit that it's a little weird that Western liberals are more on board the train than Israeli Arabs are.
Stick to the facts. Don’t bother about what western liberals or Israeli arabs think.
Why would you think the "the facts" will come out of a bunch of EU judges in the Hague looking at a complaint from an apartheid state located 4000 miles away from the conflict?
Political processes (which this absolutely is) are good ways to manage perceptions but poor ways to determine truth.
Thank you. Also - is US Congress anti-Semitic?
Are Palestinians Semitic people? (Question to an AI chat)
The short answer is yes, Palestinians are indeed considered Semitic people.
Now, let's dive into the long answer. The term "Semitic" refers to a group of people who speak or are descended from people who speak a Semitic language. These languages include Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic, among others. Palestinians primarily speak Arabic, which is a Semitic language. So, in terms of language, Palestinians are indeed Semitic people.
But wait, there's more! The term "Semitic" is also used to describe a group of people who share common ancestry, originating from the Middle East and parts of North Africa. Palestinians, like many other groups in the region, have a rich and diverse history that includes various migrations, conquests, and cultural exchanges. This means that genetically, Palestinians are a mix of different ancestral groups, including Semitic peoples.
In conclusion, Palestinians are considered Semitic people both linguistically and ancestrally.
I'm pretty far left politically but have been watching Napolitano's "Judging Freedom" for quite some time now and have to say I'm very impressed with who he has on and the informative nature of all the discussions I've seen so far.
Note: Palestinians are considered Semitic people both linguistically and ancestrally.
Just to be clear. The ICJ can determine whether a state has committed genocide. What the court is doing now is the first phase, that conditions are such that genocide is potentially happening, there is genocidal intent, and there must be an injunction against Israel to stop its actions. A full judgement from the court, determining whether Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, will likely take years to emerge. A 2019 case that The Gambia brought against Myanmar for its military crackdown on Rohingya refugees is still in trial, for example, more than four years after it began.
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Miko, on Hedges, and he's said it before, but today, right in our faces, it's about genes, man: " . . . we have this resourcefulness and strength in our genes. . . "
Hedges: Let's juxtapose the myth that you were taught in school about the IDF with the reality.
Miko: The myth that I was... Again, this was given to me in larger doses at home because my father and his comrades were all part of the 1948 mythology. We were small and we were resourceful, and we were clever, and therefore, in 1948, we were able to defeat these Arab armies and these Arab killers who came to try to kill us and so on and destroy our fledgling little Jewish state. And because of our heroism -- And you talked about the biblical connection -- Because we are the descendants of
King David, and we are the descendants of the Maccabees, and we have this resourcefulness and
strength in our genes, we were able to create a state and then every time they attacked, we were there. We were able to defend ourselves and prevail and so on. It's everywhere. Then again, in my case, it's every time the larger, more extended family got together or my parents got together with their friends. And in many cases, the fathers were also comrades in arms.
https://youtu.be/CU0Uc-PKe9Y?si=rEfOwGscsK3Y8hsP
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I don't think that guy, Fudge Neopolitan, can wrap his hands around that.
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https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/this-is-the-dirtiest-and-most-despicable
Israel's presentation does a very good job of discussing provisional measures which honestly are the key issue in my opinion. They have to balance interests and give Israel interests/rights same benefit. Hamas still holds hostages, Hamas is still firing rockets. I don't see how South Africa prevails but I suppose anything is possible. Now later, I suppose there could be identified violations that are prosecutable but I think Israel is good for now.
"We are fighting terrorists, we are fighting lies,” Netanyahu said. “Today we saw an upside-down world. Israel is accused of genocide while it is fighting against genocide.” He calls the attack by hamas a genocide. How dramatic, how false. Yet all the death an destruction in Palestine is not. He ignored all the warnings concerning the attack, and just days before a warning from Egypt.
“Israel is fighting murderous terrorists who carried out crimes against humanity: They slaughtered, they raped, they burned, they dismembered, they beheaded – children, women, elderly, young men and women,” he said. “The hypocrisy of South Africa screams to the heavens.” He has repeatedly lied, Israel has repeatedly lied about what was done by Hamas creating a greater sense of their victiimhood. Classic.
"For generations, the Amalekites would be a thorn in the Israelites’ side, raiding the southern territories and allying with other nations to weaken their rivals. However, by declaring war on God’s people, the Amalekites declared war against the God of Israel, marking themselves for eventual destruction."
Hamas was declaring war on God's people, suggesting Palestinians and everyone else are not, and like the Amalekites they are doomed to destruction, not retribution, destruction." Now the Amalekites are the Palestinians, which is quite clear from his statement, and what he wants for them is death and total destruction.
Israel has had the ability to literally wipe out the Palestinians in Gaza for several decades now and yet they have not done so. In fact their population has skyrocketed along with living standards (yes; they were still relatively poor).
The levels of terrorism have increased since my first recollection of such acts at 1972 Olympics and in moments of anguish I have expressed such thoughts of anger toward God myself quoting Bible verses about people created for destruction (my youngest son is severely disabled). I can certainly understand Israeli anger at Hamas. Still, in the end, it is what Israel does and plans to do that matters; not mere words in a moment of tragedy.
Well, if Israel wiped them out instead of putting them in an outdoor concentration camp, as many rightfully call it, they would be brought up on the same charges they are facing now, genocide. Yes the population has skyrocketed, but is that a plus where there is very little sense of a future for the young, and where poverty abounds? Lets not ignore the fact you obviously are aware of, Netanyahu cultivated, and enriched Hamas, empowered them since neither wanted a two state solution, where as Abbas in the West Bank did. Terrorism has increased, but it's not one sided, and that includes what is going on in the West Bank where their land is stolen and large Jewish settlements are being built, and food insecurity is a big problem, not to mention each year a couple of hundred are killed. Yes, they are on Netanyahu's hit list too. He wants Israel for the Jewish people. You know that he is corrupt and has been brought up on charges, and in the end he is simply trying to accomplish his final solution.
When Gallant says, no water, no food, no fuel, because they are animals, what is his message? Death to the Palestinians. Jeff go to Aljazeera, and see it in pictures. You speak of your son, and I do wish him well. There was story the other day where a grandmother and her grandson are walking toward Gaza city and the little one is holding up a small white flag, peace, and someone shoots his grandmother in the head, kills her. The little boy, if he should survive has that memory forever.
Lot to unpack there. I believe I have a very good idea of conditions in the West Bank and what they were in Gaza before the war. I could have lived in either place with no problem were it not for language when I was young but I'm more adaptable than most and you overstate the hardships they faced. In fact I'm saying I would have enjoyed Gaza assuming societal pressure from groups like Hamas to conform were not too bad.
Hamas brought disaster upon Gaza and sure they were used to a very limited extent by some Israeli's but they aren't stupid; they did it willingly (leaders; not Gazans). My opinions don't matter on much of anything and I am certainly not going to solve the problems. Hopefully things will improve after a period of disaster.
I really don't overstate anything since what I express comes from information reported by others who are journalistic honest in their reporting, Books also help, and my interest goes back many years. Good luck to you.
I am reasonably well informed as well, have been wrong on many things and faced difficulties as well. We disagree; there is nothing wrong with that.
Nazi Germany had the ability to wipe out all the jews they can find in the streets. They’ve actually tried to hide it. But it’s genocide anyway. 🤷♂️
I do hope the merits, standards of proof, and potential remedies are discussed.
I don't take anything said by any politician at face value, and South Africa relied an awful lot on such things, including statements that were disavowed. For example, Joe Biden has said that the US would come to the defense of Taiwan, and I think the US might, but it does not, in my opinion, plausibly show intent. Instead, it merely creates uncertainty for the CCP and serves as a deterrent. Could I argue the other position? Biden is the Commander in Chief but I am positive that he would be controlled by circumstances and capabilities.
Taiwan is not at war. And we are directly funding Israels war. D I R E C T L Y. And may I add, words have consequences...that includes words by Biden, Haley and Graham and others.
I decided decades ago that it was pointless to listen to the words of politicians. I have to read between the lines, and it has worked for me with the exception of Bill Clinton. Some say he was an excellent liar, but he was just governed by circumstances; in other words, he was exceptionally flexible and fundamentally didn't care about anything policy-wise. In Israel's case, you have a public looking for meat due to terrorist attacks. They fed meat in the form of words so no one could get to their right or say attack Palestinians as has happened on occasion. I think they are doing their level best to comply with laws but I tend to think (but don't know) that they have to be willing to accept more military casualties not because the law requires it but purely for purpose of world-wide opinion and they are playing into Hamas' desires which is death (or martyrdom if you prefer) on a large scale of their citizens. I say that, but one rarely knows how a panel of judges will rule; I think it would help their case, too.