Below is a podcast I did on 23 February 2024 with Gita Wirjawan, a former Indonesian Trade Minister and a true Renaissance man. We covered all the big foreign policy issues of the day. It was actually my second lengthy podcast with him.
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The advice to students at the end is priceless
I think I would love to listen to an interview the other way round -- Mearsheimer interviewing Wirjawan for an hour or so. I suspect I would learn a lot.