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Sera's avatar

How can Israel ever come back from this? And what would they come back to? They were never anything but what they are now.

I believe that words can precipitate action, so it’s important that everyone begins to speak of a world without Israel. Let those people stay or leave, it matters not, so long as the Zionist project ends and justice prevails.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Israel must be totally eradicated and Zionism banned as Nazism was for the same reasons.

Most Israelis are too mentally deranged to act like normal human beings and must go back to where they came from or into psychiatric care.

Sane ones can stay as long as they prove they can act like normal human beings as Palestinians.

The IAEA can take over Dimona and UN peace-keepers can be in place to control any former Israelis who are unable to move beyond the brainwashing of their Cult society and culture. Those who cannot should be institutionalised in hospitals for the criminally insane or sent back to where they came from so Palestinians can live in peace.

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

You are a lunatic Seriously I’ll Therapy will not help

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Make a case. Prove one fact I have presented to be wrong.

And if Nazi Germany had to be dismantled why not Zionist Israel. Make a case as to why Israel can commit genocide and inflict 77 years of holocaust while murdering, raping, torturing Palestinians and their children and stealing and destroying and not be punished for the same reasons the Nazis were punished.

Why do you think Israel should be allowed to get away with bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty toward the native people of the land it has stolen? The world does not think so and neither it should.

Evil is even, crime is crime, atrocities are atrocities and the fact Jews are doing it counts for nothing because it is all wrong. Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, atheists who commit such crimes must be punished. And if they have a State which has as its policy such atrocities then the State must be eradicated.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Why would you want to eradicate Israel? Where is this hatred of a people come from?

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

By the way Israel is not a country and Israelis are not a people. Israel is a military State/base in Palestine and a colonial occupation entity. Jews are a religion and certainly not a people. Palestinians are a people and the only ones with a claim on Palestine, all of it. Let’s take it to a court of law shall we?

If you use violent force and move into someone else’s house, imprison the owners in the basement and treat them with savagery every day for decades, trust me, no court of law will decree you own that house.

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Freddy's avatar

Rothschilds started Isreal

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

For the same reason Nazi Germany had to be eradicated and could not be changed. Nazis were in their own country and the problem is that Israel is in someone else's country with a demand that the native people of that country be exterminated or expelled. That is why Palestine must be returned to the Palestinians and Israel must be totally dismantled.

I don’t hate Israelis but I hate what their State, culture and society represents. I feel sorry for Israelis. They are mentally ill most of them and brainwashed from birth to hate, kill, steal and destroy. That is sad. They have been brainwashed in the cult of Israel for three generations and the only thing which can be done is to totally dismantle Israel, let most Israelis go back to where they came from and if any want to stay in a democracy as Palestinians, let them as long as they can learn to behave like normal human beings.

What Israelis do not understand in their hermetic pot of lies, psychoses and narcissism is that since October 7, 2023 the world, more people in the world know the evil truth of Israel’s foundation and its function for 77 years.

They have seen the images of the atrocities Israelis commit but worse, they have seen Israelis laughing, gloating, mocking, boasting, cheering their own bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty toward the native people whose land they have stolen.

When people are criminally insane they need to be locked up. When a State is criminally insane it needs to be totally eradicated, the most insane need to be institutionalised and the rest offered psychiatric help.

If you are Israeli then you live in the bubble and do not understand how evil and depraved your State, society and culture is and always has been. But the world certainly sees that horrible reality.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Comparing the Nazis to Israel demonstrate how sick you are. Nazis to remind you killed tens of millions of people and 6 million Jews. How can you even begin to compare? You never addressed my factual questions because they don’t fit your sick world view. should Turkey be eradicated for massacring 1.5 million Armenians? Did you have time to ponder why the Ottomans didn’t create a Palestinian state? To remind you the Arabs in Palestine saw themselves as Arabs belonging to greater Syria or part of Lebanon. There was no Palestinian identity or consciousness. You are a despicable human being and probably deep down a Nazi sympathizer!

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Yes, Nazis were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions and most were not Jews.

the 6 million Jews figure has never been proven and indeed, was used by the Zionists from 1897 so it would be awfully convenient if that was the figure for the Germans. I mean, from 1900 at least, and we still have the stories, headlines around the world that 6 million Jews would die in Europe if Zionist plans for a colony in Palestine were not supported. Remarkable really that the Germans delivered on that, what 40 years later?

Anyway, if 600,000 Jews had died it would have been too much. On a per capita basis even if one takes the 6 million figure, Gypsies died at a far greater rate than followers of Judaism. They are not out slaughtering other people and colonising their land.

And since Ziojewraelis have already killed more than a million Palestinian Christians and Muslims over 77 years, I would say they are making a good start.

And thankyou for admitting we can compare Israel's genocide with the Turkish genocide in Armenia.

TOTAL BULLSHIT PALESTINIANS DID NOT HAVE AN IDENTITY. We have records, data, documents for Palestine and its people going back more than 5000 years and you think people are stupid enough to believe an idiotic lie that the Palestinians living in their homeland for five thousand years had not developed a friggin identity? There is stupid and there is truly stupid and the lies Ziojewraelis invent about Palestine are truly friggin stupid.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Read the testimonies of ex Israeli soldiers sickened by what they did, saw done and were ordered to do by the IDF, now known as the IEF, the Israeli Extermination Forces. The Israeli army came out of the Jewish terrorist gangs from the 1920’s and are and always have been terrorists.

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Mate to sane people around the world, which is most of them, the Star of David is the modern equivalent of the Swastika.

If I was a Nazi sympathiser I would be on the side of Israel and I certainly am not.

Anyway the Nazi trope is tedious. People are sick of it. The Israelis are far worse than the Nazis and so in future the truly evil monsters in the world will be cast as Israelis even though the State will be long gone.

NOT EVEN THE NAZIS INTENTIONALLY MURDERED CHILDREN AND THEN LAUGHED, GLOATED, BOASTED, CHEERED ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AS ISRAELIS DO.

Nope, you are top of the list for evil now. All your own work.

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elli lieberman's avatar

You are so sick!

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

The fact is that Israelis have sunk to levels of evil depravity and sadistic cruelty which makes the Nazis look positively civilized.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Do you realize how sick you are?

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Facts are never sick. If you are an Israeli I fully understand you have little grasp on reality or facts. Israel is a cult and Israelis have been brainwashed for three generations to fear, hate and kill and to believe they are innocent victims. That has created levels of depravity which are some of the worst in history.

I feel very sorry for Israelis and think they need to be freed from the Cult of Israel even more than Palestinians so they can live as normal human beings with healthy mental function, albeit, after some intensive psychiatric care.

Any study of Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel makes it very clear that Israelis make the Nazis look civilized. I understand you do not see that and are incapable of processing that terrible fact but it remains a fact.

Some Israelis have remained sane and see and speak the truth but not many.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

The fact is that Israelis have sunk to levels of evil depravity and sadistic cruelty which makes the Nazis look positively civilized.

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Freddy's avatar

Most of the people in the camps died from starvation due to allied embargo and camp disease.

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joe woolslayer's avatar

Christian religious zealotry is why America is supporting jewish genocide

it's these mega Church psycho evil self proclaimed Christians, who are not even Christian

Christianity has been hijacked by Jews in order to draw up support of the expansion of the Jewish supremacist state of Israel. .

They literally believe that if they don't worship Jews and Israel that they will go to hell

WAKE UP.

REAL CHRISTIAN VALUES MATTER.

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Chris Cochrane's avatar

The silence in my Methodist church is deafening, I feel guilty leaving church. The Evangelicals , Haggie, Ostein, Graham and Huckabee are materially and spiritually assisting in this genocide! Why can’t Christians separate the Israeli government from Jewish people and do the right thing? The Universal Christian church will pay a price because the young people see the hypocrisy and leave the Christian Church.

Sam C

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

Israel is a dead state walking, it just doesn't know it yet.

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joe woolslayer's avatar

Creepy bullying evil assed thuggish mega church charismatic Christians who are not at all really Christian are gleeful, like jews are, in the mass murder of Palestinians.

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Jeanette van Dijk's avatar

I find it deeply troubling to see Hamas’s massacre framed as a “breakout” from a “concentration camp.” Since when is the deliberate murder, rape, and kidnapping of civilians an act of resistance?

Realpolitik may explain the behavior of states, but applying it to an Islamist militia that thrives on ideology, martyrdom and internal repression shows, in my view, a profound misunderstanding of the Middle East and of radical Islam.

Criticizing Israel’s actions is justified, but romanticizing Hamas as helpless victims turned freedom fighters is moral blindness. By that logic, should we also reframe 9/11 as a liberation act by al-Qaeda?

I didn’t realize realism required moral idiocy.

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

Name a single individual raped by a Hamas resistance fighter on Oct. 7. Yet Knesset members assert the right of IGF to rape Palestinians, and Israelis rioted when soldiers who sodomized a detainee to death were arrested. But then 61% of Israeli men surveyed think it is ok to rape. Every pathetic Zionist accusation is a confession.

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Freddy's avatar

And gay rape at that. Really demented homos in the Isreali military forces.

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Jeanette van Dijk's avatar

It’s difficult to engage in an honest discussion when you delete and rewrite your comments.

If you want to have a serious debate, start by citing credible sources and stop recycling propaganda. Otherwise, there’s no conversation to be had.

I oppose all atrocities in this war, including those committed by the Israeli government or settlers. The difference between us is that I don’t condemn one form of fanaticism by excusing another.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

The charges of mass rape were debunked more than a year ago. The Israeli police said no witnesses and no evidence. IT DID NOT HAPPEN. Neither were babies beheaded, strung on lines or microwaved. All Israeli lies.

Most of the Israelis who died on October 7 were murdered by their own military, incinerated under the Hannibal Directive.

If you had spent three generations being subjected to bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty, by Israel, particularly to your children, then you would feel fanatical about fighting for freedom. Hypocrite.

The Israeli Occupation Forces break into Palestinian homes in the middle of the night and kidnap the children and imprison them to terrorise parents into compliance. Children are held without charge or trial, released after months, then arrested again after months and this pattern is continued throughout their childhood. It is amazing any of them grow up sane. Some do not. The sadistic cruelty of the Israelis is the worst in human history.

How dare you judge the Palestinians for resisting such savagery? How dare you put the Palestinians on the same scales as the Israeli barbarians?

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elli lieberman's avatar

Believe what you need to, but examine why if you are capable….

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

I do examine why and I gather the facts. You should try it.

Let us examine some facts.

All humans are human and there are no subhumans.

Any individual, society, culture or State which decrees other humans are subhuman or as one Sickraeli lunatic said, HUMAN ANIMALS, is by definition mentally ill.

That makes Israel and most Israelis mentally ill.

Anyone who believes that babies and children are or could be terrorists is mentally ill.

That makes the State of Israel, the culture, society and most Israelis mentally ill.

Anyone who mocks, cheers, gloats, boasts about the murder and maiming of anyone, particularly children, is mentally ill.

That makes Israel, the culture, society and most Israelis mentally ill.

Anyone who believes some God thousands of years ago handed over a slab of land to their religion, a land belonging to someone else, is mentally ill.

That makes Israel, the culture, society and most Israelis mentally ill.

The levels of evil depravity at work in Zionists, Israelis and Jews has created an evil Cult of Israel which is a curse on the world, humanity, the Middle East and Judaism.

As an example, read up on how little children are treated by the Israeli military and particularly how they are treated in prison. It is a level of barbaric savagery which most humans gave up more than a thousand years ago.

Anyone who can treat children as the Israelis do is devoid of humanity. They are human of course and deserve compassion but they are very, very, very sick mentally and need psychiatric help.

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

It is pointless to attempt a serious conversation with a Zionist liar. After reading more of your comment I decided not to waste my time.

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Lennart's avatar

Engaged in a ”honest disciussion”, serious

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Lennart's avatar

”Serious debate” with YOU?

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Gaza is a concentration camp and has been for nearly 20 years. Israel created and maintained it and subjected the prisoners to bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty every day.

a concentration camp is where you concentrate civilians and imprison them. Israel bombs Gaza every couple of years to test its weapons and as they admit, to Mow the Grass, which means cull younger generations. They have had Gaza on a semi-starvation diet for 15 years and calculated how many calories were needed to create malnutrition but not have them dropping dead in the street. By 2012 most kids were malnourished and anaemic and that means stunted growth and poor brain development. If some of the young men who broke out of Gaza as civilians were less than mentally stable blame Israel.

As to Israeli claims of rape - debunked.

as to deliberate murder by the Palestinians - well the same sort of deliberate murder as the French and Polish Resistance and the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto did in their fight for freedom.

Kidnapping of civilians? Most were not civilians. They targeted military and police and of those called civilians most had served or were reservists in the military and so not civilians.

Yes, some civilians broke out of the Gaza concentration camp and took some children as well as their ex or current military parents. but they were released long ago.

AND SINCE ISRAEL HAS BEEN KIDNAPPING PALESTINIAN CHILDREN FOR 77 YEARS TO TERRORISE THEIR PARENTS INTO COMPLIANCE YOU HAVE A CHEEK POINTING THE FINGER AT THE PALESTINIANS.

Israel has 12,000 hostages in its prisons, hundreds of them children and it has been doing that for decades and decades. Most of the kids were arrested and imprisoned for throwing stones. The youngest kid was fucking four years old and he apparently terrified a bunch of friggin soldiers sitting in a tank when he tossed a pebble at them.

BECAUSE ISRAEL OCCUPIES PALESTINE THEN ANY RESISTANCE IS LEGITIMATE, INCLUDING HAMAS AND THEY ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Those who say they are terrorists when they have the right under international law to take up arms against the thugs who occupy their country and constantly murder and maim them and their children are the idiots.

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Debbie Beatty's avatar

Thanks Roslyn. You have the patience of a saint.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Have you wondered even once how many skyscrapers could have been build with all the cement that was used to build the tunnels?

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Have you wondered even once why the prisoners in the Gaza concentration camp felt a need to build tunnels?

Let us remember, Israel started the tunnel building and the Palestinian Resistance expanded it out of necessity. Let us also remember that the Israeli military headquarters and Mossad are in tunnels under Tel Aviv and bunkers underneath hospitals.

NOW, since the Israeli colonial government controls absolutely EVERYTHING which goes into the Gaza concentration camp, logic would decree, any cement available needed to be used by the Palestinian Resistance because that militia offered the only hope of freedom for the prisoners.

AND. since Israel regularly bombed Gaza to test its weapons and destroy as much as it could, you can bet mate that any new skyscrapers would be the first target.

Get real, Israel has been murdering fishermen and farmers for decades and spraying farmland with pesticide to limit food production. And you think they would let the prisoners build skyscrapers?

Are you a comedian in your spare time?

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

Be careful wise guy I know how to deal with shit

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SaHiB's avatar

Quit murdering Gazans and Palestinians! You owe $trillions in restitution.

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Lennart's avatar

Very kind of you to let me ”criticizise Israels actions”. Thank you very much!

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Kevin Flynn's avatar

The course that I’ve developed should be the political platform for a new political party in the United States.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Jews have inflicted on Palestinian Muslims and Christians the longest holocaust in modern history, 77 years, and the worst genocide.

Why is it the worst? Because never before has a genocidal regime not only actively targeted and intentionally murdered and maimed children, including toddlers and babies, the Israelis have laughed, gloated, boasted and cheered the slaughter of children. Not even the Nazis did that.

And the Gaza concentration camp in terms of the bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty of the Israelis outranks Auschwitz and others for its evil.

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elli lieberman's avatar

How ignorant can people be, go study some history!

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

I have studied the history and know that Israel was founded and has functioned in terrorism, bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty for 77 years, Indeed if we count the deranged thugs in the Jewish terrorist gangs for nearly a century.

Anyone reading Israeli and international historians and human rights groups can be in no doubt as to the primitive barbarity of the Israelis and their psychopathic psychotic cruelty.

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

Your comments are not supported bu the historical narrative They are in fact false out and out rubbish If you actually believe that nonsense you are either ignorant or a committed fool But one fact is definitely true You are a vile Jew hater and a disgusting deranged lunatic

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

The facts I present are supported by Israeli and international historians and by Israeli and international human rights groups. You should do some research.

When people resort to abuse they are admitting they cannot refute the facts presented. Thanks for making that clear.

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JAG's avatar

🚨 Must Watch! The digital front of this war is unfolding before our eyes — and few are even noticing. Israel has quietly turned social media into a battlefield, weaponizing TikTok and other platforms to flood the internet with Zionist propaganda while censoring any trace of the horrors in Gaza.

Behind the scenes, coordinated influence campaigns are shaping what millions see and believe — manipulating the growing anti-war sentiment among young Americans and concealing AIPAC’s deep grip over U.S. politics. This isn’t random — it’s a calculated strategy to rewrite reality, drown out dissent, and manufacture consent for Netanyahu’s brutal agenda.

https://youtu.be/L5NhMPDIozc?si=KHvrGZYtArssenA4

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPf0zm_kwZT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Ever wonder how Israelis can laugh, gloat, boast, cheer and rejoice at the murder and maiming of children? Watch this and learn.

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elli lieberman's avatar

When you get your news from instagram you develop a knowledge level of a ….

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

The information came from an Israeli educationalist and the fact she appeared on Instagram is irrelevant.

A university lecturer and author, Nurit Peled-Elhanan is committed to changing the views of Israeli society towards Palestine. Her writing promotes tolerance, diversity and the right to education. In 1997, her 13-year-old daughter Smadar was killed in a suicide attack carried out by a Palestinian in West Jerusalem.

Professor Elhanan is what Israelis should be and are not. Her courage, intelligence and integrity are rarely found in Israelis.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Roslyn, this is a more normal discourse. Most Israelis are like that. There is a crazy minority that is religious and extreme but most Israelis are for a two state solution and coexistence. The problem is that whenever Israelis make concessions or negotiate a two state solution Hamas details the process by using suicide attacks. Israel left Lebanon, left Gaza and was negotiating the return of the West Bank under Olmert and all it got in return was more terror attacks. Show me a Sadat like leader among the Palestinians who would say no more war, and I will show you how Israelis would embrace him. And Mearsheimer has a Jewish problem and he has never really dealt with that to figure out why he acts the way he does. October 7 was not a breaking out of a concentration camp. That is a sick interpretation when people butcher your people killing babies and raping women.

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Quote: In early 2006, Dov Weisglass, then a senior advisor to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, explained that Israeli policy was designed “to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.” In 2012 it was revealed that in early 2008 Israeli authorities drew up a document calculating the minimum caloric intake necessary for Palestinians to avoid malnutrition so Israel could limit the amount of foodstuffs allowed into Gaza without causing outright starvation.

According to a 2012 joint report by Save the Children and UK-based Medical Aid for Palestinians: 10% of children under five experienced stunted growth due to prolonged malnutrition due to the blockade and siege. 58.6% of Gaza’s schoolchildren were anemic, as were more than 68% of children aged nine to 12 months and nearly 37% of pregnant women.

According to UNICEF, more than 90% of the water from Gaza’s only aquifer is unsafe for human consumption due to pollution, while repairs to Gaza’s sewage and water infrastructure cannot be carried out because of Israeli restrictions on the entry of building materials and equipment. Gaza suffered from severe shortages of electricity due to Israeli restrictions on imports of equipment needed to replace and repair the electrical infrastructure, even before Israel bombed Gaza’s only power plant during its latest assault. https://imeu.org/article/putting-palestinians-on-a-diet-israels-siege-blockade-of-gaza

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SH's avatar

And note that with regard to the West Bank - Palestinians are denied permission to dig wells - only settlers are given permits to access any water supplies "from the river to the sea" ...

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Yes the Israelis are deranged lunatics or in the vernacular, evil bastards. We must start a movement for a one state solution. One state, a democracy, where every Palestinian has the same rights for any Israelis who choose to remain. Dimona goes to the control of the IAEA and the UN peace-keepers control any Israelis who remain who cannot act like normal human beings. Those who cannot behave should be deported to wherever they, their parents or grandparents came from.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

While Israelis live in a Cult and are brainwashed from birth to hate and kill Goyim, particularly Palestinians, I find it even more disgusting that supporters of their atrocities, Jews, Christians, whatever, who do not live in the Cult of Israel, support genocide and nearly a century of bestial atrocities inflicted on the Palestinians.

I can understand the Cult like nature of life for many Jews and crazy Zionist Christians to some degree, but there are too many others who support what ranks as the longest holocaust and worst genocide in history.

Why is it the worst genocide? Because never before has an occupier and military intentionally targeted children and sought to murder and maim them as Israel does and never before has an occupying society laughed, cheered, gloated, boasted the sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery toward a people, knowing half of them are children.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Roslyn, I will teach you about Jews and Israelis soon, it’s late now. But you are so uninformed. I am sure that if you are open minded you will see things differently. Will answer you next week.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Happy to read what you have to say but not sure how anyone can teach about Jews because they are so varied and disparate like all religions. There is nothing unified about Jews.

As to Israelis, having been there and worked with and for them and studied the histories of Zionism and Israel, I think I know a great deal but always happy to learn more.

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Lennart's avatar

I think you do not have much to teach Roslyn.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Every Israeli charge is an Israeli confession. The Israelis have been butchering Palestinians, killing babies and raping for 77 years.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz has published details of many of the massacres - look up Deir Yassin. Women were raped and burned alive. Babies had their skulls smashed in.

As an example of one massacre:

On that same day, a letter was sent by an Israeli soldier named S. Kaplan to the editor of the Israeli Al-Hamishmar newspaper calling for an investigation into the massacre in al-Dawayima. Kaplan wrote:

‘There was no battle and no resistance….

The first soldiers [to enter the village] killed from 80 to 100 [male] Arabs, women and children.

They killed the children by smashing their skulls with sticks. There was not a home without its dead.

Arab men and women who remained in the village were shut into houses without food or water.

One soldier boasted that he had raped an Arab woman and then shot her.

[…] cultured, polite commanders… turned into base murderers, and not in the heat and passion of battle but in a system of expulsion and destruction. The fewer Arabs that will remain, the better.’

After its depopulation, the village was systematically looted, and its cultural heritage destroyed.

The Massacre At Tur Al-zagh: Al-dawayima, 29 October 1948 ← Forensic Architecture

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Most Israelis are not for a two state solution and co-existence. If they were they would not teach their children to fear, hate and kill the Palestinians from birth.

I have been to what is called Israel and was lucky enough to drive around Occupied Palestine while one still could. I have worked with and for Israelis and met some lovely people, but the worst and most rabid bigots toward Palestinians I have ever encountered. They are brainwashed by a Cult and the Cult is Zionist Israel.

I have seen the videos they have made of themselves mocking, cheering, boasting, gloating the suffering and death of Palestinians. I have seen them with their children destroying food knowing children are starving on the other side of the concentration camp fence.

I have seen them set up barbeques outside the electric fence around Gaza hoping the smell of cooking food would drive the starving children and adults mad. Mate, that is about as sick as it gets.

They set up viewing platforms, and boating tours where Israelis ate, drank, laughed and cheered as the bombs dropped on Gaza. That is mental illness of the worst psychopathic kind.

SO NO THEY DO NOT WANT TWO STATES OR CO-EXISTENCE THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE ALL PALESTINIAN NON-JEWS AND THEY ALWAYS DID OR THEY WOULD NOT TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO HATE AND KILL FROM BIRTH.

Mearsheimer deals in facts and has integrity, something Israelis and their supporters do not understand.

You said: October 7 was not a breaking out of a concentration camp.

A concentration camp is where civilians are concentrated and imprisoned. Gaza is a concentration camp and worse than Auschwitz.

You said: That is a sick interpretation when people butcher your people killing babies and raping women.

SINCE THE ISRAELI CLAIMS THAT BABIES WERE KILLED AND WOMEN MASS RAPED WERE DEBUNKED MORE THAN A FUCKING YEAR AGO, WHY KEEP SAYING IT WHEN IT IS AND WAS A LIE?

And since Zionists, Israelis and Jews have been killing babies and raping women for 77 years, raping men as well, approved recently by the Knesset, you are a hypocrite.

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Lennart's avatar

Because Gaza is Hell and the Devil lives next door.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

All of Palestine is Hell thanks to the Israeli military colonial occupation apartheid regime which is the Government.

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Sean Griobhtha's avatar

When Nuremberg Two arrives, and it will, complicity will be judged as a crime. “Christian” Nationalists/Zionists will hang, and Jesus will be the Chief Judge.

https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/x-rubicon-white-phosphorus

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

What an ashole a complete fool and an ignorant jerk

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SaHiB's avatar

Self-congratulatory posts are not appropriate here.

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Sean Griobhtha's avatar

What a pathetic, perverted Zionist cunt.

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SH's avatar

Very good show ...

A couple of things ...

1) What comes to mind, for me, is the parallel between Oct 7 and its aftermath, and Sept 11 and its aftermath - with regard to the questions of who was actually responsible for instigating it, who knew what and when, what could have been done, but wasn't, to prevent it, and why wasn't it ...

2) the rather apparent, to me, fact that the destruction and loss of life on both those dates, was used as an excuse to "retaliate" in an absurdly disproportionate manner - and in the name of "the right of self defense" or at least retaliation - such that such attacks were a "gift" to the retaliating country, enabling it to "justify", in the eyes of the world ,doing what it had wanted to do for a long time ...

3) All those questions in 1) are, and will continue to be, debated - but the dynamic of 2) is an ongoing one - we see it here in the US, now ...

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Genocide can never be justified. The US was not justified in destroying Iraq because Israel wanted it and neither can Israel ever be justified in inflicting this colonial genocide which at this point has probably killed a million Palestinians, most of them children, and maimed hundreds of thousands more.

The horrifying thing is that more Governments have not stood up and shouted - GENOCIDE IS NEVER JUSTIFIED REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU OR WHAT YOU CLAIM HAPPENED TO YOU.

Israel is the greatest intentional mass murderer of children in human history and it has intentionally created, because it knows half the prisoners in Gaza are children and the amount of bombs it drops, the equivalent of six atomic bombs, the greatest number of child amputees ever seen before. That can never be justified even if all the claims Israel made about what the Palestinians did on October 7, most debunked, were true.

At this point, Israel has murdered around the same number of Palestinians, every day since October 7, some 730 days, most of them children, as the final figure for dead Israelis, 1,149, on that day. How can slaughtering around 800,000 people, most of them children, ever be justified for the deaths of 1,149 Israeli Jews, most of whom were killed by their own military under the Hannibal Directive anyway?

How can any sane human being believe that it is a valid military tactic to starve civilians, knowing half are children?

How can any sane human being believe it is a valid military tactic to ban baby formula as Israel does? I mean, are they saying Hamas and the Palestinian Resistance are living on fucking baby formula? No, they are following their stated policy of making the Palestinians suffer as much agony as possible until they die in as much agony as possible. Who can justify that? The lack of baby formula means starving mothers cannot produce milk and so babies die in agony and their mothers watch them die in agony suffering the greatest agony any parent can experience. Which is what Israel wants.

How can any sane human being believe it is justified to murder doctors, torture doctors and destroy hospitals and deny anaesthetics, antibiotics and painkillers to civilians on whom you are constantly dropping bombs? Not only does Israel intentionally murder civilians and target children, it decrees, if they survive they will suffer amputations of one or four limbs, removal of one or both eyes, in total agony because there are no anaesthetics.

And they decree, as I saw an image the other day, that little children, and adults, with their guts blown open, will die in agony over days because there are no painkillers, and no medical treatment to save them or keep them comfortable until they die. ALL OF THAT IS ISRAELI POLICY TO CAUSE THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF AGONY, SUFFERING AND DEATH TO THE PALESTINIANS WHOSE COUNTRY THEY OCCUPY AND WHOM THEY DEEM TO BE SUBHUMAN.

None of that can be justified and all of it by comparison makes the Nazis look totally fucking civilised.

Quote: Israeli Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu urged that Israel “must find ways for Gazans that are more painful than death” to defeat them and break their morale,

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240106-israel-minister-calls-for-ways-more-painful-than-death-for-palestinians/

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Adrie Staalman's avatar

I have read your text complete and thoroughly! I agree with your analysis! I myself stopped with writing and posting these long analyses. Most people don’t read it, they don’t take the time in this world full of shorts even they don’t on this platform. It is a shame ! Even the person who you commented on says: you missed his point instead of embracing your words! Will we be able to create a better world without if and when the sane people can’t build bridges among themselves?!?!

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Generally the world muddles on. There are always a few brave, clear-headed people who speak the truth and that helps. Retaining compassion for the wounded and damaged as we go is the hard part.

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

Destroyed Iraq Killed a million Palestinians maimed etc on and on This person is a crackpot Poor sick soul

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Zionists, Israelis and Jews who support them have to be the most stupid people on the planet and always have been.; What sort of deranged lunatic thinks you can take someone else's country and then exterminate millions because you think your religion is superior and get it to last?

Israel was always doomed. If they had been smart they would have realised that a religious State for Jews was backward, primitive, unjust, undemocratic, barbaric and could not last. If they had done what other colonisers had done and created one state where the native people lived alongside the colonisers with the same and equal rights there would be a State which could stand with integrity and be admired by the world. Instead of the foul, vile reality which is Israel.

The Palestinians are an ancient, patient, intelligent, cultured, gracious people and their culture combined with the colonists could have resulted in something vibrant, healthy, impressive and inspiring. Not so said the bigots who founded Israel in Palestine, we want our supremacist apartheid military state of hate and death. That decision sealed the doom of the Israeli colonial experiment.

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Yes, Israelis were instrumental in destroying Iraq and killing more than a million Palestinians since 1947, most of them in the last two years. Most of them children.

Israel is the greatest intentional mass murderer of children in recorded human history. Why would the world allow such an evil State to continue to exist? It would not and it will not.

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SH's avatar

I think you rather missed the point of my post - it wasn't to "justify" genocide

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Clearly I did. Perhaps make your point clearer.

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SH's avatar

My first paragraph was noting the similarities with Oct 7 and Sep 11 regarding the points I mentioned ...

My second was to show how the damage, deaths, destruction that was done on both those dates were used by the attacked country - US, Israel - to claim justification for their retaliation, in neither case was the response actually justified - but, if you recall, after 9/11 , just as with 10/7, even now, in the case of the latter, how many people cheered on the outrageous response of the attacked country ...

Remember how much death and destruction the US and allies caused, and continue to cause, in Afghanistan and Iraq because a couple of buildings were brought down in the US - did what we did in those 2 countries amount, technically speaking, to Genocide? No, but it was enormous none the less, and continues ... though it wasn't all over "social media" for everyone to see, instead our media played scenes of the "beautiful" "Shock and Awe" campaign and Bush was re-elected - and it seems Netanyahu might get elected again as well ...

The point being that when a Gov't wants to do something destructive, immoral, to another country, it needs to have an excuse, a "justification" it can "sell" to people that they will rally around .... the problem is who knows when something like that will spontaneously happen, why not give it a nudge, then fail to "prevent" it - even, or especially when there are all sorts of warning signs. Go back over the history and the events immediately preceding 9/11 - lots of red flags, missed opportunities to thwart it - all called "conspiracy theories", but quite similar in nature to the "goof ups" around 10/7 ....

Both of these gawd awful events were very useful to the Admin of their respective countries - and they made the most of them, using them to destroy an "enemy" who "attacked" them ....

And the reason I mention this all is to suggest a parallel with what is going on here, now - the identification and labeling of the "enemy within", "domestic terror" groups, the "animals" that are "destroying our country", that we have to defend ourselves from, that we have to put in detention camps, torture, deport, eliminate - that we have to "disappear" - not on the scale of either Gaza or Afghanistan, but the same M.O. - the fear and vilification of an "other", who is out to get (replace) us, from which our Fearless Leader will defend us

And consider that the phrase used to justify our actions overseas - "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" - are now used over here - where the "over there" refers to Cities and States, over here ...

Just as an aside - in the last election how many voted for either the D or R nominee - both of whom supported the funding of the ongoing Genocide, and how many voted for the one candidate on enough ballots to win, who did not ...

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Roslyn Ross's avatar

Totally agree. Thanks for the clarity.

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SH's avatar

Thank you ...

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

This comment was submitted by a deranged person A response is a complete waste of time and energy I find it difficult to believe that a person actually believes this rubbish

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

Hamas breakout from the concentration camp those idiotic words tells the entire story That stupid remark will get you a failing grade at any educational level elementary middle school high school or any third rate college willing to admit you

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Jacob Rothman's avatar

Concentration camp Are you suffering from a serious mental disorder

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elli lieberman's avatar

Roslyn,

You don’t realize how sick you and your world view is. There were no Palestinians before the Jews begun to move into the area. Why didn’t the Ottomans create a Palestinian state? Why didn’t the Jordanians and Egyptians create a Palestinian state between 1948 and 1967? Do you know how many people world wide lost their homes after WWII? Between 30-50 million! And Jews lost their homes and the lives of 6 million of their people. Your ignorance of history is ridiculous and your hatred of Jews and Israelis is despicable. Deep down you are an antisemite like Mearsheimer and all those of you who follow his hatred of everything Israel. Shame on you lost cause.

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SaHiB's avatar

They're in Genesis (Bereishit), idiot! Try reading the Torah instead of just the Turdmald.

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elli lieberman's avatar

Concentration camp “a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe in 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.” When people have no awareness of their inner demons…

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